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Post by Bonobo on Dec 10, 2019 21:55:22 GMT 1
Certain sociologist enumarated 15 things in Poland which disturb his easthetic feelings the most. www.polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/mojemiasto/1507608,1,15-najbrzydszych-rzeczy-w-polsce.read?src=mt I illustrated his views with the photos of my choice: E.g., 1. Architectonic chaos, mostly in cities but not only    My comment - taking into consideration Polish individualism and propensity to act as single instead of in a team, it is a natural phenomenon which will stay with us for ever, so one`d better live with it.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 10, 2019 22:00:03 GMT 1
2. Invasion of ads, banners etc. Yes, I agree, this mess could be tidied up by proper laws, I have nothing against.    |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 10, 2019 22:03:37 GMT 1
Grafitti on buildings, also historical. That`s a real shame, perpetrators should get heavy fines and pay for the renovation of damaged facades.   |
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 11, 2019 21:12:09 GMT 1
perpetrators should get heavy fines and pay for the renovation of damaged facades. I agree, with the added addition of the perpetrators being made to clean it off themselves! Invasion of ads, banners etc. They are everywhere!! More than any other country, it seems as if banners,signs etc are almost deliberately placed next to beautiful buildings, statues etc, a blot on the landscape  |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 11, 2019 21:32:58 GMT 1
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 11, 2019 21:51:49 GMT 1
One of them is colourful facades of ex-communist blocks of flats. He complains about strange colours and shapes which don`t go with each other. I think they all look great!! It's cheerful to see coloured buildings, even if they are tower blocks. One of the things I love about Poland is seeing the pastel coloured buildings, usually in the main squares, ryneks. I think those old buildings are called Kamienica, or something similar. Britain has some lovely buildings, but it's all grey and gloomy colours, nothing bright and cheerful. Those blocks look far better brightly coloured than commie grey....... |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 11, 2019 21:59:30 GMT 1
It's cheerful to see coloured buildings, even if they are tower blocks. One of the things I love about Poland is seeing the pastel coloured buildings, usually in the main squares, ryneks. I think those old buildings are called Kamienica, or something similar. Britain has some lovely buildings, but it's all grey and gloomy colours, nothing bright and cheerful. Those blocks look far better brightly coloured than commie grey....... Yes, but some people hate it and call pasteloza - colour disease. Yes, kamienica - tenement house. Yes, I have seen pics of Edinburgh - those stone facades are definitely ancient and costly and artistic, but I wouldn`t be able to live too long among them - I would get a depression after a few weeks, like in communism. One of the main things I hated in communism was its prevailing grey background. Exactly, grey is a killer of your psyche. Strange that some people don`t realise it. Ooops:     |
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 11, 2019 22:10:10 GMT 1
those stone facades are definitely ancient and costly and artistic, but I wouldn`t be able to live too long among them - I would get a depression after a few weeks, like in communism. One of the main things I hated in communism was its prevailing grey background. You know exactly what I mean. Those pics you posted are typical of Britain. All historic cities are grey and depressing in the UK, even if the architecture is amazing. I yearn for some colour! grey is a killer of your psyche. Strange that some people don`t realise it I loathe grey, even for clothing. I think it's because I don't like winter with its commie grey skies. I am a summer person. |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 14, 2019 22:56:09 GMT 1
You know exactly what I mean. Those pics you posted are typical of Britain. All historic cities are grey and depressing in the UK, even if the architecture is amazing. I have never been to the UK so I depend on your opinion now. But I just googled "housing estate in London" and most photos show grey surroundings, indeed. I probably know now why some Brits adopt funny nicks when they visit Poland, e.g., Wrocław Boy. Wrocław Market Square is very colourful - verging on flashy/tawdry - guys who live there never get a winter depression!:  |
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 17, 2019 23:00:43 GMT 1
most photos show grey surroundings, indeed. Yep, it's grey alright, we don't do colour! I probably know now why some Brits adopt funny nicks when they visit Poland, e.g., Wrocław Boy Say no more........ Wrocław Market Square is very colourful - verging on flashy/tawdry Tawdry, flashy? Nah, it looks lovely, I like Wrocław, it has a particularly pretty rynek. There is never too much colour for me!! |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 18, 2019 13:42:10 GMT 1
Tawdry, flashy? Nah, it looks lovely, I like Wrocław, it has a particularly pretty rynek. There is never too much colour for me!! The problem is it reminds many people of peasant-like inclination to decorate their surroundings in the most colourful way possible. Some would say such colours suit a cottage in Zalipie village but not the centre of a city.  |
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 18, 2019 20:46:11 GMT 1
The problem is it reminds many people of peasant-like inclination to decorate their surroundings in the most colourful way possible. You mean snobby people would think that style of decoration is lacking taste? To be fair, my home is not particularly colourful, but I like the bright exteriors typically found in Polish ryneks. Besides, that photo of Wrocław looks photoshopped, the colours look too bright. The folk art in the above picture reminds me of the Cepelia chain of shops. |
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 18, 2019 22:24:07 GMT 1
The folk art in the above picture reminds me of the Cepelia chain of shops. Exactly. Calling sth " Cepelia" can be used as a derogatory term for an art&crafts product in bad taste. Besides, that photo of Wrocław looks photoshopped, the colours look too bright. My bright is still quite natural compared to this bright:  |
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Post by naukowiec on Dec 21, 2019 8:49:25 GMT 1
Wow, that looks almost neon!
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 5, 2020 9:55:13 GMT 1
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 5, 2020 11:54:14 GMT 1
oesn`t like Gargamel houses: Some of those on the other thread look better than others.... It's certainly very.......pink. Wedding palace? Is this the equivalent of some of those tacky American places you can get hitched at in Las Vegas? E.g :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/Candelight-Wedding-Chapel-Las-Vegas.-d6cca65359c5446faef66af0b3e89b79.jpg)  |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 5, 2020 22:31:49 GMT 1
It's certainly very.......pink. Wedding palace? Is this the equivalent of some of those tacky American places you can get hitched at in Las Vegas? Well, the pink one is actually the state Civil Registration Office, informally called Wedding Palace. People can boast later on they got married in the Palace instead of Office. |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 8, 2020 19:45:45 GMT 1
the pink one is actually the state Civil Registration Office, informally called Wedding Palace. To be honest, it's not that bad! Better a wedding photo against that background than a commie grey building. I am confused though. I thought everyone got married in church? We have registry offices here, for those who don't want a church wedding, but for the predominantly Catholic Poland, I thought a church wedding was a given. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 10, 2020 12:50:08 GMT 1
I am confused though. I thought everyone got married in church? We have registry offices here, for those who don't want a church wedding, but for the predominantly Catholic Poland, I thought a church wedding was a given. There is quite a number of couples in Poland who don`t want or can`t get married in church. E..g, those already divorced. The divorce rate is 30% today. Poland has been steadily catching up with the Western standards. We can say it is entirely the fault of women who have become too independent and in result, they refuse to tolerate their stupid/lazy/drinking/slothy/ boring/ cheating/ toxic/ good for nothing husbands anymore and reject the idea of spending a whole life with them. |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 11, 2020 10:46:31 GMT 1
Thanks for the explanation. entirely the fault of women who have become too independent and in result, they refuse to tolerate their stupid/lazy/drinking/slothy/ boring/ cheating/ toxic/ good for nothing husbands anymore and reject the idea of spending a whole life with them. If I was a drinker, I would raise a glass to that! Can't imagine anything worse than being forced to spend the rest of your life with someone you don't love, for whatever reason. What I find hard though is the attitude of the church. The friend I am going to see later is divorced. She has 2 children and her ex-husband spent all his money on alcohol and didn't provide for her or his children. She left him and got a divorce. In church services she was ostracised by the priest and not given the wafer for example. Anyawy, the pink building is not so ugly!! I figure it would make quite a nice backdrop to a wedding photo. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 11, 2020 21:27:38 GMT 1
Can't imagine anything worse than being forced to spend the rest of your life with someone you don't love, for whatever reason. What I find hard though is the attitude of the church. In church services she was ostracised by the priest and not given the wafer for example. Anyawy, the pink building is not so ugly!! I figure it would make quite a nice backdrop to a wedding photo. It is not so simple. A few years ago I read an article which shocked me. The author, after doing some discreet research, concluded that half (or so) married couples don`t really love each other but they stay in marriage for the sake of kids, security, comfort or simply fear of being alone. The church representatives have to stick to certain dogmas or they might run into problems with their superiors. The current dogma about divorces is that what God has joined together, let not man separate. I am not so sure. I tried to find some pics showing newlyweds in front of the Office and there are none. Strange. |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 12, 2020 10:59:15 GMT 1
concluded that half (or so) married couples don`t really love each other but they stay in marriage for the sake of kids, security, comfort or simply fear of being alone. To be honest that doesn't surprise me. There are only a few people I know who are still happily married after being together a long time. I find it very sad, but this is the way things are these days. The current dogma about divorces is that what God has joined together, let not man separate. I can understand that but don't agree with it. My personal feelings are that she is being punished for the crime of leaving an alcoholic who did nothing for his wife and children. What about women married to violent men? The church is actually condoning that behaviour by disapproving of divorce. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 19, 2020 18:41:45 GMT 1
My personal feelings are that she is being punished for the crime of leaving an alcoholic who did nothing for his wife and children. What about women married to violent men? Yes, we have no right to judge people who are on the verge of nervous breakdown. Another view that the man dislikes is bazaars and fairs. But he exaggerates again - such places can be found everywhere in the world.     |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 19, 2020 19:19:04 GMT 1
But he exaggerates again - such places can be found everywhere in the world. Hmm. They can indeed but I think a lot depends on the way bazaars are set out. In your pics above I don't think they look nice at all, more of a blot on the landscape. A bit haphazard. These ones in Marrakech look better:   I love bazaars, markets and fairs |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 20, 2020 9:57:25 GMT 1
Hmm. They can indeed but I think a lot depends on the way bazaars are set out. In your pics above I don't think they look nice at all, more of a blot on the landscape. A bit haphazard. These ones in Marrakech look better: Yes, there are bazaars and bazaars. I posted pics of ugly ones according to the author`s intentions but there are also good looking ones. E.g., Easter or Christmas fairs.  Similarly, there are less sophisticated bazaars in Marakesh, too.    |
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 22, 2020 19:23:12 GMT 1
there are also good looking ones. E.g., Easter or Christmas fairs. Now they look much better! there are less sophisticated bazaars in Marakesh, too I know, I've been there. I wasn't being very fair in posting the nicely organised ones.......  |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 27, 2020 19:27:00 GMT 1
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Post by naukowiec on Jan 29, 2020 22:00:49 GMT 1
I can't see anything wrong with the first two, not so keen on the third.
Oh blimey, the communist era ones in the last pic are indeed, truly ugly!
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 30, 2020 18:53:09 GMT 1
Oh blimey, the communist era ones in the last pic are indeed, truly ugly! They were like cubes for different reasons. No 1 - underdeveloped technology. No2 - scarce finances of investors. No3 - requirements of communist architectural offices - make areas with private developing as much uniform as possible. |
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Post by naukowiec on Feb 3, 2020 10:15:24 GMT 1
No3 - requirements of communist architectural offices - make areas with private developing as much uniform as possible. Well they definitely succeeded with this! Ugly, boring and uninspiring! |
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