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Post by valpomike on Jan 29, 2009 17:01:10 GMT 1
How good it the medical care in Europe? How does it rank among others?
I have a good friend who is now in the hospital, after several times looking for what is wrong, and I am wondering if he is getting the best care.
He is in Warsaw, and I hope and think it could some of the best, but do you know?
Mike
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Post by valpomike on Jan 29, 2009 17:06:08 GMT 1
When I was sick when I was in Warsaw, my friends took me to a private clinic and I got great care, with a doctor who spoke English well, and at a very low cost. Much less than I would have to pay for the same thing here.
Is this the same for hospitals? Does he need be in a private hospital, or will he get the same care in another?
I ask that you all say a prayer, for this great young man, who has had a problem that they can't find a reason for, after checking several times.
Mike
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Post by tomek on Jan 29, 2009 20:15:35 GMT 1
There are good and bads hospitals. Peoples want go to one hospital but aren`t go to other bkoz it is badly working.
I can not say you what hospital good or bad is with your friend in Warszaw. You ask peoples who goes to this hospital.
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Post by valpomike on Jan 30, 2009 17:37:59 GMT 1
What do you want to say, I can't understand your posting.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 30, 2009 19:53:34 GMT 1
What do you want to say, I can't understand your posting. Mike I think tomek meant there are different hospitals in Poland, some are good, other are bad. |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 31, 2009 16:41:50 GMT 1
Many people here, think all hospitals in Poland are poor, not good, I don't know why they do. I don't, I know better.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 29, 2009 21:34:01 GMT 1
Bo and Jeanne, the forum is well balanced but this does not mean it can't be any better. 'Predilection' does not mean that a conscious act of will is involved. Life in Poland, and especially for a tourist, is as smooth, easy, pleasurable as in any European country that belongs to the traditional tourist destinations.
thenews.pl
24.03.2009
Poland has the lowest cancer survival rate in Europe, according to a new study by the European Cancer Organization.
Just 21 percent of men and 38 percent of women in Poland make full recoveries after being diagnosed with cancer, says the research.
Iceland has the highest clear up rate, for men in Europe, with 47 making a full recovery and 59 percent women were cured in France and Finland.
In general, however, the cure rate is increasing throughout the continent, says the research which was done in 23 countries, covering a population of 151 million people. |
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Post by valpomike on Mar 30, 2009 2:16:28 GMT 1
Why is this, and what can we do to change it?
Mike
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Post by tufta on Mar 30, 2009 8:12:27 GMT 1
Bo and Jeanne, the forum is well balanced but this does not mean it can't be any better. 'Predilection' does not mean that a conscious act of will is involved. Life in Poland, and especially for a tourist, is as smooth, easy, pleasurable as in any European country that belongs to the traditional tourist destinations. Yes, very well said ;D ;D The title of the news with the predilection reads "Poland has lowest cancer survival rate." It is both untrue and paint the image in black. The neutral title and telling the truth would be "Among Europe's best scoring countries Poland had lowest cancer survival rate in the nineties' While the success propaganda title would read: 'In the first decade of 21 century Poland scores high in cancer survival among the wealthiest countries of Europe'. |
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Post by tufta on Mar 30, 2009 8:21:26 GMT 1
Why is this, and what can we do to change it? Mike The cited study by "European Journal of Cancer" was done on results from the decade of '90 and included only best scoring Europe's states. So Poland was worst among the best back then with scores of survival 21 percent for men and 38 percent for women. The present survival rate is 31 percent for men and 50 percent for women. It is not the final target we would like to see in Poland, but surely the situation is not black. What could be done to achieve further success? Spend more money on oncology. |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 30, 2009 21:49:48 GMT 1
The cited study by "European Journal of Cancer" was done on results from the decade of '90 and included only best scoring Europe's states. It took them 10 years to analyse the data. And they are announcing it as the hottest news. Cheeky guys. Hmmm..... where is the data from? |
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Post by tufta on Mar 31, 2009 16:20:12 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 31, 2009 20:32:30 GMT 1
This article explains a lot. Poland, on the 23rd position, ranks exactly in the middle of the list of 51 European countries. The situation could be better, as you said, with more investment in cancer therapy. Currently Poland spends 41 euros per cancer patient, while rich Germany or Switzerland about 200. |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 4, 2009 20:22:42 GMT 1
Here`s another article about poor condition of state medicine. It might be exaggerated a bit, again. The situation in a big city like Krakow isn`t as excruciating as the article suggests. It is probably much worse in the province.
Polish public healthcare amongst worst in Europe
thenews.pl
01.04.2009
The Health Consumer Powerhouse based in Brussels has ranked Poland 25th amongst its EU peers in `empowering patients.'
The report, entitled Empowerment of the European Patient: Options and Implications looks at health care conditions in Western and Central-Eastern European countries. In the number one spot is Denmark followed closely by Germany and Switzerland.
Poland occupies the 25th spot on a list of 31 countries. Behind Poland are Croatia, Latvia, FYR Macedonia, Portugal, Romania and Bulgaria.
"Poland looks weak as compared to Europe. Patients wait relatively long for visits with specialists and operations," claims Johan Hjertqvist, one of the report's authors. "A huge problem is the availability of new and innovative medicine, especially the availability of advanced chemotherapy, " he added.
The report analyses issues such as a patient's right to their medical records, the right to choose among providers, direct access to specialists, layman-adapted pharmacopeia (contents of pharmaceuticals) , informal payments to doctors, and right to choose between insurances, among others.
"The difference between Poland and other countries are reforms in public health care. [In Poland], there is no willingness amongst the government to increase expenditures in the field of public health, whose quality we have shown is alarmingly low," stated Hjerqvist.
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 22, 2009 21:26:08 GMT 1
If I were young again, this is what I would do, for sure. The only thing I know, is when Doctors come from Poland, most do not pass the test, given here in the U.S.A. Why is this? This is also true of Nurses. I know of a few, Registered Nurses, who when they came here, could only work as a Nurse Aid, for much less money. Why is this true? Mike I think there are two reasons: medical staff in America is known for being jealous of their positions, that is why the test is extremely difficult. Secondly, the language barrier might be a problem. PS. I was also a nurse`s aid in US, I worked one day on trial for free and decided it is not for me. |
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Post by tufta on Apr 23, 2009 7:30:00 GMT 1
I think there are two reasons: medical staff in America is known for being jealous of their positions, that is why the test is extremely difficult. Very much so! It is widely assumed that the'nostrification' of diploma exam would not be passed by the majority of US doctors ;D But I must say I don't regret this situation very much. |
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Post by valpomike on Apr 23, 2009 16:39:20 GMT 1
Are you saying that American Doctors would not pass the test in Poland? Why?
Here we have many Doctors from India, they all pass the test, and learn to speak English.
Here we often see ads for American Nurses, wanted in Poland.
Mike
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Post by tufta on Apr 23, 2009 17:04:10 GMT 1
Are you saying that American Doctors would not pass the test in Poland? Why? Here we have many Doctors from India, they all pass the test, and learn to speak English. Here we often see ads for American Nurses, wanted in Poland. Mike Mike, that just a joke which Polish doctors say - that American doctors would not pass the tests, foreigners are reqired to pass to be able to practice medicine in the USA. It is an 'absurd joke' of course ;D as foreigners wanting to practice medicine in US have to pass exactly the same exams Americans have to. And attiitonally language exam. As to Indians. They are taught medicine in English, so it's different. What is more, they often from the very beginning of mediacal college are planning to emigrate to US, so they 'get ready' right from the beginning. Poles' decisions are more random and not that massive. And I hope there will be even less with time. It is a very nasty of USA to drain our highly (and expensively) educated staff  In Poland Medical Academy for Poles is FREE. And finally- since you've asked, yes American M.D's would not pass the test in Poland. Maybe just 1 out of 100 would succeed ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Apr 24, 2009 3:44:14 GMT 1
Why not, are they not a good, as Polish Doctors are?
Mike
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Post by tufta on Apr 24, 2009 10:26:55 GMT 1
Why not, are they not a good, as Polish Doctors are? Mike Mike, I don't know. Probably comparable. But they would not pass Polish exams because of Polish language  ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 24, 2009 21:56:07 GMT 1
`Face Off' Polish surgeon returns home
thenews.pl
20.04.2009
Professor Maria Siemionow has returned from Cleveland, Ohio in the US where she led a team of internationally- renowned surgeons in successfully transplanting a woman's face.
The New York Times has called the transplant "one of the most shocking medical operations of the last decade." The woman's face is now made up of her own forehead, upper eyelids, lower teeth and jaw – the remaining elements of her face come from a cadaver.
The 23-hour operation, replacing the face of a woman with facial damage so severe she was unable to eat or breathe without extensive assistance, took place at the Cleveland Clinic in mid-December.
"Our patient was called name and was humiliated," Dr. Siemionow stated. "You need a face to face the world," added the surgeon.
The complex and highly experimental operation required that surgeons integrate functional components of the face – like the nose and lower eyelids – as well as skin, bones, muscles, arteries, veins and nerves. Almost 500 square centimeters of tissue were transplanted from the donating cadaver.
Dr. Siemienow has received much acclaim upon return to Poland – she is a guest-lecturer to packed auditoriums at the Poznan University of Medical Sciences, western Poland.
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Post by valpomike on Apr 25, 2009 2:09:46 GMT 1
Has this been done in Poland by Polish Doctors yet?
Why did she have to come to Cleveland, Ohio for this?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 25, 2009 23:02:36 GMT 1
Has this been done in Poland by Polish Doctors yet? Why did she have to come to Cleveland, Ohio for this? Mike Hmm, it seems she has been a US resident for a long time, though born and educated in Poland. The news report distorts the story. my.clevelandclinic.org/staff_directory/2/Staff_1735.aspx |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 26, 2009 22:02:04 GMT 1
Poland to stub out smoking in pubs, clubs and at work
thenews.pl
23.04.2009
Smoking is to be outlawed in all enclosed public places across Poland by next year after the government supported a parliamentary draft bill, Wednesday.
MPs want to pass the bill as soon as possible.
According to the new bill, smoking will be banned in all workplaces, as well as hospitals, schools, universities, railway stations, airports and bus stops and within 10-metre radius of designated non-smoking areas.
It will be illegal to smoke in private cars if passengers include children. Pubs and clubs will be allowed to choose whether they want to allow smoking on the premises if they provide separate smoking rooms with doors that close automatically.
Shop owners will not be allowed to display cigarettes. They will be fined for selling cigarettes to minors.
European laws are becoming increasingly strict for smokers. Ireland, Norway, Italy, Scotland and England already implemented strict anti-smoking legislation. Since the introduction of the smoking ban in England, 400,000 Englishmen quit smoking. The supporters of the extended smoking ban bill in Poland hope that more people will give up the habit and thus many lives will be saved and non-smokers will no longer be exposed to second-hand smoke.
Opponents of the bill claim that banning smoking in pubs and clubs will cause a significant drop in trade, as has happened in Scotland and England. The loss in trade was such that 500 pubs closed down and many strive to survive. They also compare the bill to anti-smoking regulations imposed by Hitler in Nazi Germany.
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Post by tufta on Apr 27, 2009 10:33:22 GMT 1
Has this been done in Poland by Polish Doctors yet? Why did she have to come to Cleveland, Ohio for this? Mike No Mike, this kind of transplantation is not a routine surgery yet. It was rather an experimental operation done for the first time in the world by a Polish surgeon, who studied in Poznan Medical Academy. Why did Cleveland had to host her, to have it done? |
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 27, 2009 21:55:47 GMT 1
Why did Cleveland had to host her, to have it done? It is her permanent residence now. She is US citizen and comes to Poland on short trips to give lectures. Read the post on the prevuious page and the link in it:
Biographical Sketch
Marie Siemionow, MD, PhD, was awarded her medical degree by the Poznan Medical Academy in 1974, after which she completed her residency in orthopedics, and then earned a PhD in microsurgery. In 1985, she completed a hand surgery fellowship at the Christine Kleinert Institute for Hand and Microsurgery in Louisville, Ky. Since 1995 she has been Director of Plastic Surgery Research, and Head of Microsurgery Training in the Plastic Surgery Department of Cleveland Clinic.
In 2005, she was awarded a faculty appointment as Professor of Surgery in the Department of Surgery at the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of Case Western Reserve University. Most recently, she received an honorary academic appointment as Professor of Surgery at the Medical University in Poznan, Poland.
Dr. Siemionow is the first U.S. physician to receive Institutional Review Board approval for facial transplantation surgery.
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Post by valpomike on Apr 28, 2009 2:49:58 GMT 1
Why would she leave Poland, for a place not as good.
Mike
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Post by tufta on Apr 28, 2009 9:16:47 GMT 1
Mike, if she left in 1974, the reasons could have been multiple.
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Post by valpomike on Apr 28, 2009 16:17:32 GMT 1
Could it been money?
She could still go home.
Is it for better training?
A better place to work?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 28, 2009 22:30:34 GMT 1
Could it been money? She could still go home. Is it for better training? A better place to work? Mike Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. |
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