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Post by pjotr on Mar 20, 2017 19:40:20 GMT 1
Chuck Berry had a great influence on the British beatmusic of the Sixties.
"Back in the U.S.A." is a song written by Chuck Berry that was released in 1959 and was a top 40 hit. A cover version in 1978 by Linda Ronstadt was also a hit.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 20, 2017 19:17:26 GMT 1
A great hard rock cover by Motörhead, Lemmy, another dead Rock 'n Roll legend
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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2017 16:04:26 GMT 1
Elimelech of LizhenskRabbi (Rebbe) Elimelech Weisblum of Lizhensk (1717–March 11, 1787), one of the great founding Rebbes of the Hasidic movementElimelech Weisblum of Lizhensk (1717–March 11, 1787[1]), a Rabbi and one of the great founding Rebbes of the Hasidic movement, was known after his hometown, Leżajsk (Yiddish: ליזשענסק-Lizhensk) near Rzeszów in Poland. He was part of the inner "Chevraya Kadisha" (Holy Society) school of the Maggid Rebbe Dov Ber of Mezeritch (second leader of the Hasidic movement), who became the decentralised, third generation leadership after the passing of Rebbe Dov Ber in 1772. Their dissemination to new areas of Eastern Europe led the movement's rapid revivalist expansion. Rebbi Elimelech authored the classic work Noam Elimelech. It developed the Hasidic theory of the Tzaddik into the full doctrine of " Practical/Popular Tzaddikism". This shaped the social role of mystical leadership, characteristic of the "Mainstream Hasidic" path. As the founder of Hasidism in Poland-Galicia, his influence led numerous leaders and dynasties to emerging from his disciples through the early 19th century. Among them the Chozeh of Lublin, together with the Maggid of Koznitz and Menachem Mendel of Rimanov one of the three " Fathers of Polish Hasidism", furthered the spread of Tzaddikism in Poland. Because of this, Rebbi Elimelech is venerated by the " Mainstream" path in Hasidism, predominant especially in Poland, who descend from his influence. BiographyRebbe Elimelech was born in Galicia (Central Europe), which was located in the Kingdom of Poland that was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. He died in Leżajsk on the 21st of Adar. He was known as a Tzadik who devoted his life to studying and teaching the Torah, as well as encouraging people to draw closer in return to God. He was an ascetic, who believed in staying away from alcohol. The Romanian Hasidic rabbi Isaac Weiss visits Orthodox jews in Pre-war Poland and receives a warm welcome from Polish jewsRebbe Elimelech was a prominent student of the Maggid of Mezeritch, and was brought under his tutelage by his illustrious brother the famous Tzadik and Rebbe Reb Meshulam Zushya of Anipoli. Both brothers are central figures in Hasidic tradition and Reb Zushya is especially beloved for his sincerity and fervour. The two offered a contrast in the model of the Hasidic Rebbe, with Elimelech the ascetic scholar, and Zushya giving the impression of the charismatic " saintly simpleton", although he too was well versed in Hasidic philosophy. Of all the students in the Maggid's " Holy Society" it is told that only Zushya could contain his dveikus ( fervour) and remain in the room as the Maggid revealed fiery new teachings. The other students would faint or run out of the room in ecstasy. The two brothers would travel together in mystical exile of repentance to atone on behalf of the whole Jewish people and the exile of the Shechinah ( Divine Presence). Famous Hasidic tales are told of their encounters. On one occasion Rabbi Elimelech and Reb Zushya were staying at an inn. Each night non-Jewish peasants would enter their room and jestingly beat the one who lay nearest the fireside, Reb Zushya. One night, Rabbi Elimelech offered to change places with his brother so that he could take the beatings instead. Suggesting that Reb Zushya had suffered enough of this " Divine admonishment" the agreement was made and Rabbi Elimelech lay next to the fire instead. That night, the common gentiles again entered to begin their jest. This time, however, one of them said that the one by the fire had taken his fair share of the treatment, and now it would be better to jest with the other one! Again Reb Zushya took the beatings. Afterwards, he told his brother that whatever is decided in Heaven transpires!Hasidic LeadershipAfter the death of the Maggid of Mezeritch, the Hasidic movement avoided one centralised leader, as had characterised it under the Baal Shem Tov and the Maggid. Instead the great leadership of students of the Maggid dispersed across Eastern Europe, from Poland to Russia, taking with them their different interpretations of Hasidic worship. Nonetheless, in this third generation, Rabbi Elimelech was considered by most of the Maggid's students and followers as his successor. He began the dissemination of Hasidism in Poland, which subsequently increased to a much greater extent under his foremost disciple, the Chozeh of Lublin. Many of Rebbe Elimelech's students ( talmidim) went on to be Rebbes in their own right. The most famous are the Chozeh of Lublin, Rebbe Menachem Mendel of Rimanov, the Kozhnitzer Maggid, the Apter Rov and Rabbi Kalonymus Kalman Halevi Epstein, author of Maor Vashemesh. To this day his grave in Leżajsk, Poland, is visited by thousands of those faithful to Hasidism, particularly on the anniversary of his death, the 21st of the Hebrew month of Adar (in leap years, commemorated twice, in Adar I and Adar II). In 2012, approximately 6,000 pilgrims came to visit the site on the anniversary coming from Israel, Ukraine, Hungary, Germany, Holland, France, Great Britain, Canada and the USA. In most Chasidic minyanim, Tachanun is omitted on the Noam Elimelech's Yartzeit. It is said that when Rebbe Elimelech came before the heavenly tribunal,he stated that " unfortunately, I didn't pray or learn Torah", the judge then proclaimed " if so then you have to be taken to hell!", the angels carried Rebbe Elimelech to what he thought was hell but was really Heaven, Rebbe Elimelech then said " How merciful is our father in heaven, he made hell so good, just imagine what heaven must be like!" Noam ElimelechAs is common amongst great Rabbis, he is most commonly known by the name of his popular book Noam Elimelech, a commentary on the Torah. This book is one of the principal works of Hasidism. The sefer was called Sefer Shel Tzadikim, ( a Book for the Righteous) by Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi (founder of the Lubavitch dynasty). One of Rebbe Elimelech’s chassidim related that every Wednesday, when they chanted the psalm of the day from the daily shacharis morning prayers, and they reached the verse of “Lechu neranenah...” they already felt a taste of Shabbos. (Eser Tzachtzachos 26; Ohel Elimelech 247)The book has asterisks or stars placed in seemingly random places over words. Tradition has it that these stars have some meaning. In Devarim Areivim (another Hasidic classic), the author, Rabbi Dov Ehrmann, wrote: "In the first edition of the sefer, there are in many places small stars which allude to some secret meaning". The Klausenberger Rebbe once said that the stars in the heavens are a commentary to the stars in the book Noam Elimelech. As such, all subsequent printings have included these stars. The Noam Elimelech also wrote Tzetl Koton, a seventeen-point program on how to be a good Jew as well as Hanhagos HaAdam a list of customs for all pious Jews to follow. Three Hasidic mystical pathsA Hasidic aphorism describes three paths of mysticism in the Hasidic movement, formed by three works of Hasidic thought. Nachman of Breslov's Likkutei Moharan is described as the Hasidic book of the great, giving hope and encouragement to those trapped in problems, through Rabbi Nachman's innovative creativity and the personal articulation of one's problems to God. Schneur Zalman of Liadi's Tanya is subtitled the Hasidic book for the intermediate person, who has ease to intellectually contemplate and internalise Hasidic thought, free from distracting troubles. In this Habad path, the Tzadik's primary role is to teach the esoteric dimension of Hasidism in intellectual understanding. Noam Elimelech is seen as the formative book of the righteous Tzadik. It instructs select people of spiritual ability how to become Hasidic mystical leaders, while advocating attachment to the Tzadik by the common folk. Because of this, Noam Elimelech influenced the Mainstream Hasidic proliferation of the Tzadik, who embodies and channels the Ayin-Yesh Divine flow of blessing to this World. The Chozeh of Lublin (1745-1815) developed further the dynamics of this process. Meanwhile, the mid-19th century Peshischa-Kotzk spiritual development in Hasidism and its influence, is excluded from this description. It left aside Tzaddikism and mystical focus in favour of personal autonomy, introspection and Rabbinic Torah study in the spirit of Hasidic spiritual inwardness. The Yid HaKodosh of Przysucha in Poland began this trend when he broke away from the Chozeh of Lublin's Tzadik focused spiritual path. Rabbi Yisroel Hopsztajn, one of the greatest promulgators of Hasidism in Poland, blessing acolytes. Circa 1800.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2017 15:18:09 GMT 1
They seem to be very emotional, as if they are close to the Messiah
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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2017 14:44:51 GMT 1
Jews flock to Leżajsk, south-eastern Poland19.03.2017 09:00Sunday is the last day, and the culmination, of commemorations in Leżajsk, south-eastern Poland, of the 230th anniversary of the death of Tzadik Elimelech Weissblum.Jews gather in Leżajsk. Photo: PAP/Darek DelmanowiczThe first groups of Hasidic Jews from Europe, the United States, Canada and Israel started to arrive at the site on Friday and since then several thousand have participated in prayers recited at the Tzadik’s tomb (the “ ohel”), believing that on the anniversary of his death he descends from heaven to earth to collect requests to God from Jews. People usually ask for good health, blessings for their children and prosperity in business. All requests are written down on small pieces of paper, which are placed on the Tzadik’s grave. The prayers held at the tombside are accompanied by traditional dances and the singing of psalms. Leżajsk and Tzadik Elimelech’s tomb is for Hasidim one of the most sacred places worldwide. Before World War II, Leżajsk, with its sizeable Jewish community, was one of the most important centres of the Hasidic movement. The tradition of visiting Tzadik Elimelech’s tomb was revived in the 1970s. (mk/pk) Source: Polish radio
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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2017 14:39:41 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2017 14:37:29 GMT 1
wyborcza.pl/7,113768,21517617,chuck-berry-nie-zyje-mial-90-lat-byl-prawdziwa-legend-rock.html
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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2017 14:35:27 GMT 1
How did the Polish press and fans reacted to the passing of this Rock 'n Roll legend?
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Post by pjotr on Mar 19, 2017 14:34:50 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Mar 17, 2017 0:13:45 GMT 1
Thank God for the fact that Geert Wilders party only received 19 seats, a moderate growth from 15 seats in 2012, with 4 to 19. 10 or 12 would have been better, but in the rightwing xenophobic climate in Europe that wasn't possible. The littlle loss of the Center right VVD from 41 seats to 31 was a surprise. The center right Christian Democratic CDA thank god gained 6 seats and went from the historical low in 2012 (13 seats) to 19 seats today. Thank God also the Centrist Center left progressive liberal D66 party gained some seats. The leftwing liberals went from 12 seats in 2012 to 19 seats today, the same amount it's largest competitor Geert Wilders PVV received and the Christian democrats. Next to that I was glad that the leftwing and ecological party Greenleft went from 4 seats to 16 seats yesterday, becomming the largest leftwing political party. The leftwing Social Democratic Socialist party lost one seat and went from 15 seats in 2012 to 14 seats today (2017). The Social Democrats (Labour/PvdA) had the most dramatic loss in decades, the party dropped from 38 to only 9 seats, becoming the smallest traditional leftwing parties (it had always been one of the large political parties in the center of the Dutch politics). The ChristianUnion gained one seat yesterday, growing from 5 seats in 2012 to 6 seats in 2017. The Party of Animals which had two seats in 2012 gained three seats and moved to 5 seats in 2017. The party of Elders gained also three seats and moved from 2 seats in 2012 to 5 seats today (2017). The conservative, orhtodox Protestant Christian Reformed political party (SGP) got the same amount of votes yesterday like it received in 2012, three seats. The New immigrant Denk party which is new in the Dutch party gained three seats. Denk mainly received votes from Turkish and Moroccan immigrants (guestworkers) who voted Labour (PvdA) in the past. The New National conservative, Rightwing Populist, Eurosceptic, Fiscal conservative, E-democratic party 'Forum for Democracy' of Thiery Beaudet gained 2 seats in the Dutch Lower House, our parliament. 'Forum for Democracy' stands for Direct democracy. In november 2015, Thierry Baudet, founder of the Forum for Democracy and journalists Jort Kelder and Arno Wellens presented to Parliament the citizen’s initiative “ Peuro” demanding an extensive parliamentary enquiry into the euro, its introduction and its future. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_for_Democracy_(Netherlands)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_Baudet
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Post by pjotr on Mar 15, 2017 18:54:51 GMT 1
Treue hält niemals was sie uns verspricht fidelity never keeps what it promises denn sie vergeht wie die Nacht for it's passing by like the night Glück bringt die Jagd nach der Sinneslust nicht luck isn't what the desire of senses carries uns wahr kein Engel bewacht ours truely no angel guards wenn's auch mal schwer wird if things get tough nichts scheint mehr gut nothing seems well anymore macht dieses Lied wieder Mut this song shall give courage Für immer und immer forever and ever mein Herz schlägt dir immer my heart beats towards you und nur du kannst es hörn' and only you can hear it denn es gibt keine Ruh' for it's not keeping silent Für immer und immer, für immer nur immer nur du forever and ever, forever but ever just you ja für immer und immer, du mein Hoffnungsschimmer, yes forever and ever, you my glimmer of hope,
denn zum Glück brauch' ich dich luckily I need just you und sonst gar nichts dazu and nothing else besides für immer und immer mein Herz schlägt nur dir immer zu forever and ever, my heart beats just towards you bleibt dir das Glück fern wenn du es auch jagst if luck fails to appear although you're chasing it schleicht sich davon wie ein Dieb steals away like a thief wenn du mich nach einem Lichtblick dann fragst if you're asking me then about a ray of hope dich hab ich immer noch lieb you're still the one I love wenn's auch mal schwer wird if things get tough nichts scheint mehr gut nothing seems well anymore macht dieses Lied wieder Mut this song shall give courage Für immer und immer, mein Herz schlägt dir immer forever and ever, my heart beats towards you und nur du kannst es hören, denn es gibt keine Ruh' and only you can hear it, for it's not keeping silent
Für immer und immer, für immer nur immer nur du forever and ever, forever but ever just you Ja, für immer und immer, du mein Hoffnungsschimmer yes forever and ever, you my glimmer of hope denn zum Glück brauch ich dich, und sonst gar nichts dazu luckily I need just you, and nothing else besides Für immer und immer, mein Herz schlägt nur dir immer zu forever and ever, my heart beats just towards you Ja, für immer und immer, du mein Hoffnungsschimmer yes forever and ever, you my glimmer of hope denn zum Glück brauch ich dich, und sonst gar nichts dazu luckily I need just you, and nothing else besides Für immer und immer, mein Herz schlägt nur dir immer zu forever and ever, my heart beats just towards you Für immer, und immer, immer zu, immerzu. forever and ever, towards you, incessantly.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 14, 2017 23:01:04 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Mar 14, 2017 22:27:37 GMT 1
German is an intimate language for me because it was the language I communicated in whith my Polish grandmother. In it were jokes, refined sense of humor, tales, history, her typical German shaped from the Southern-Polish Austrian occuopation she came from. Her German language skills saved her several times during the Second World war during the Warsaw rising and during her stay with other Polish women in Mauthausen concentrationcamp In Austria. This was a song of hope and joy in dark days, when a forbidden love between A German aryan woman and a Jewish woman existed in Berlin. Aimée & JaguarAimée & Jaguar is a 1999 German drama film set in Berlin during World War II. It was written and directed by Max Färberböck, based upon Erica Fischer (de)'s book, chronicling the actual lives of Lilly Wust and Felice Schragenheim during that time. Before Erica Fischer's bestseller, Lilly Wust was tracked down by the American journalist, author, and noted Holocaust researcher, Charles Brady who considered Lilly Wust a Holocaust victim. It was over a year and a half, however, before Wust was able to confide in Brady and tell him her whole story. They remained close friends for 20 years until her death in 2006. Fischer's book contains photos of the many letters shared between the two, and official correspondences post World War II with regard to Felice's whereabouts. The movie stars Juliane Köhler as Lilly Wust, Maria Schrader as Felice Schragenheim, as well as Johanna Wokalek, Elisabeth Degen, Heike Makatsch, Detlev Buck. PlotThe film explores the lives of the characters Felice Schragenheim (Maria Schrader), a Jewish woman who assumed a false name and who belongs to an underground organization, and Lilly Wust (Juliane Köhler), a married mother of four children, unsatisfied with her philandering Nazi officer husband. The film begins in 1997, with an 83-year-old Lilly (played by Inge Keller) taking up residence in a dilapidated flat that once served as an underground hideout. Brought to a retirement home, Lilly encounters her old maid Ilse (played by Johanna Wokalek in the 1940s, by Kyra Mladeck in 1997), who was rounded up during 1945, and is already a tenant. In 1943, Felice, assuming a false last name and working as a journalist at a Nazi newspaper, meets Lilly via her friend and sometimes lover Ilse, who works as Lilly's housekeeper. Instantly smitten, she takes the initiative in the love affair by sending flagrant letters to Lilly and signing her name as Jaguar, much to Ilse's dismay. One fateful afternoon, Felice, Ilse, and their friends Klara and Lotte are accosted by German soldiers, and all but Lotte manage to escape. Shot down by the soldiers, they find no identification on Lotte's body except for a photograph of her and Felice. Lonely due to the constant absence of her husband, Lilly engages in a series of affairs with other men, but is disillusioned by the callous treatment of her latest tryst with another Nazi officer. She grows closer to Felice, who attempts to kiss her during a New Year's Eve Party in her Berlin apartment after Lilly discovers her philandering husband with Ilse, but rejects her. As her husband tries to make amends with her the following morning, Lilly realizes she has never loved him and reconciles with Felice. With her husband again away at war, Lilly and Felice begin a shaky but intense relationship. The film features both erotic encounters and sentimental love poems (quoted from the book), and during one love scene Felice proclaims Lilly is an Aimée to Felice as Jaguar. On Lilly's birthday, Felice and her friends throw a party in her apartment that culminates in a lesbian orgy. Lilly is mortified when she sees Ilse and Felice kissing drunkenly, and further disillusioned when Felice rejects her advances for the night. The next morning, Lilly’s husband arrives on special leave for his wife's birthday only to witness the aftermath of the previous night's events. Although enraged, he vows to not punish her for her indiscretion so long that their marriage and life remain intact, but Lilly instead surprises him by asking for a divorce. Afraid that her husband may turn them in, Felice and her friends stop seeing Lilly for the sake of their own survival. Heartbroken, Lilly holes up in her apartment, eventually sending her children away to safety, and erupts in anger when Felice finally visits her after several weeks. Felice reveals the truth that she is Jewish and feared for her life, and the two make up. After the 20 July Plot, Felice and her friends fear for their lives and arrange to flee Germany before they are rounded up. At the last moment, Felice decides to stay in spite of the danger so that she may remain with Lilly. After a day of frolicking in the countryside, the two return to Lilly's apartment where Felice is captured by the Gestapo, using the photograph of her and Lotte to identify her. She is sent to the Theresienstadt concentration camp from where the two still manage to correspond, but all contact is lost by the end of 1944. Lilly and Ilse reminisce about times past as the film ends. Lilly, though saddened by the tragedy that she caused her friends and lovers, is unable to imagine how her life could have been any different, given her obsessive live-for-today-for-tomorrow-we-die mentality, common among besieged Berliners. Lilly Wust lived in Berlin until her death on 31 March 2006. The tagline of the film is "Love Transcends Death". Comment Pieter: I saw the movie in an art house cinema. Like many German quality art house cinema movies this is an excellent movie with great actresses and actors, good scenario, good script, good camerawork, good ediuting, historical acurracy, excellent and beautiful movie. And although the subjec is controversial it is about universal love, the vulnerability of life, ethics, heroism and cowardice, betrayal and loyalty, suffering and survival. I hope that this movie was seen by many people in Poland and the USA as well.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 14, 2017 22:14:31 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on Mar 14, 2017 22:06:34 GMT 1
Dear Bo,
You are right Bo, I agree with you. I also see similarities between Stalin and Erdogan. Like Stalin Erdogan is purging the Turkish society and he specifically targets the Turkish intelligentsia. Teachers like you. Thousands of teachers and professors were sacked. Many were arrested and put in jail without legal evidence. And people in other professions too. The same paranoia like in the Stalinist era in the SovjetUnion. The same show trials, the same torturing and the same despotic totalitarian state system. Turkey is a disguised democracy. It is in fact a autocracy, a Democrature!
In Poland, the Netherlands, Germany, the EU and the USA who should talk about these innocent Turkish Teachers, students, lawjers, doctors, scientists, intellectuals, artists, writers, poets, scientists, journalists, opposition politicians and innocent military (soldiers and officers who did have nothing to doi with the Coup 'd etat in June, NATO colleages of Polish, Dutch and German officers) and others in prison and about the human rights abuses of the Kurds in South-Eastern Turkey in the Diyarbakır region.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Mar 14, 2017 3:01:05 GMT 1
I agree with you with that. I am humanitarian. But the West, NATO, EU, the USA, and the United Nations should create save havens with no fly zones for hostile entities, regimes and countries to settle refugees there. I think we have enough migrants in Western-Europe, and first have to integrate and assimilate them.
The world has to do everything to stop wars, civil wars and terrorism in the Middle-East, North-Africa, Black Central Africa, West-Africa and East-Africa and the terrorism in Asia (the rebel Muslim islands in Thailand, the Phillipines, and the Muslim extremists in Indonesia and Malaysia). Moderate Sunni-muslims should reject the fanatic Salafist and Wahabi Sunni Islam of Saoudi Arabia and Shia Muslims should reject the extremist version of Shia Islam of the terrorist Lebanese Hezbollah (founded and funded by the Islamic Republic of Iran), the Fundamentalist Islamist theocracy Iran, the Houti rebels in Jemen and the extremist Shia militia in Iraq -with their Death squads who systematically murdered Sunni Muslims in Iraq after the US invasion of 2003.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Mar 14, 2017 2:50:39 GMT 1
The guy with the blue beret is from special Dutch police forces.
This were the special police forces that were present, the blue masked guys:
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Post by pjotr on Mar 14, 2017 2:37:59 GMT 1
I don't know Bo, but they managed to united Dutch politicians. Except Denk they form a United Front now, despite the differences. Most party leades call the Turkish statements about Fascism and Nazism crazy, reckless, ridiculous and insane. Even the Turkish migrant party Denk and Turkish Dutch employers organisations called for calm, de-escalation and reconcilliation. Both Turkish Dutch and Native Dutch entrepreneurs with economical ties with Turkey aren't happy. But the National Dutch authorities and the Muncipalities of Rotterdam and Amsterdam don''t accept this behavior and don't give in. Rotterdam mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb talked about the tense situation in Rotterdam Saturday evening. There was a special heavily armed Dutch special police unit present (special forces of the police world) who monitored the situation very closely, because the Turkish minister had a large group of Turkish body guards with her and the Dutch autorities didn't knew if they were armed. The Turkish Consulate in Rotterdam did'nt reply to calls of the Dutch (Rotterdam) autorities. Mayor Aboutaleb was bussy the whole evening and in the beginning of the night (Sundaymorning) to lead this high tension operation, which could have lead to severe international tensions if it had escalated to an armed conflict between Dutch police forces and Turkish nationals on Dutch soil. There was a large police force in Rotterdam with normal Dutch police, riot police and special police forces with heavy arms and specialists like snipers. It was a very, very, very serious situation. A deliberate provocation from the Turkish side to cause an international row. They managed in doing so. But the Dutch gained the vocal and moral support of the Germans and the EU. Turkey is angered as Angela Merkel brands Nazi jibes 'unacceptable' and backs Netherlands in this diplomatic row. www.itv.com/news/2017-03-13/turkey-angered-as-angela-merkel-brands-nazi-jibes-unacceptable-and-backs-netherlands-in-diplomatic-row/
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Post by pjotr on Mar 13, 2017 0:14:37 GMT 1
Hertog, the White-tailed eagle is the symbol of the Arnhem soccer club Vitesse
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Post by pjotr on Mar 13, 2017 0:07:59 GMT 1
Dear Bonobo,
Unfortunately the favorite solution would be to spread migrants over all European nations and immediately start language lessons the day they arrive in the various nations. Due to the fact that the European solidarity in the EU doesn't work the refugees are mainly flocked into Germany and Sweden. Because the Netherlands, Denmark and Austria are more strict and the Central- and Eastern-European countries refuse to take in any refugees, you get a huge concentration in Germany and Sweden. And Norways already has large ethnic minorities and Finland too. The situation in these Scandinavian countries is tense.
The European Union failed totally in the refugee crisis. Imagine that all these refugees were spread over 28 EU members. In that case Germany and Sweden wouldn't have these problems and all these nations would receive smaller groups of refugees. I wonder how these new refugees will integrate. Maybe they will be more succesful than our Turkish and Moroccan migrants, because thy are more motivated to learn the language to be able to study, get a diploma and get a job and house.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Mar 12, 2017 21:44:15 GMT 1
Dear Bonobo,
You have two pride nations opposing eachother in this case. Two patriotisms and two versions of Nationalism maybe. Or maybe Dutch Patriotism vs Dutch Nationalism is a betrer word.
The same words as the Polish state chanal I heard from the Turkish media. English Turkish media and translations of Turkish media which came to the Netherlands via Dutch correspondents in Turkey and Turkish sources who are bilingual.
Police brutality is a large statement. There was a heated, large, infuriated, Nationalistic Turkish crowd who had the same potential for violence as notorious soccer Hooligans, violent Harbour workers strikes or for instance rebellious farmers (in Brussels and Poland we have seen violent farmer strikes).
The police officers were carrying out their duties, an assignment that came after top layer negotiations between the Rotterdam mayor and a trio of the Dutch government Prime-Minister Mark Rutte, Vice prime Minister Lodewijk Asscher and minister of foreign affairs Ben Koenders, after hours of diplomatic contacts (telephone communication with Turkish authorities).
The Turks created this scene deliberately to create a international riot. They were out for international tension, to create this diplomatic crisis and two state tension. They were warned beforehand that Turkish ministers weren't welcome. The plane of the Turkish foreign minister couldn't land in the Netherlands and this Turkey's family minister, Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya, decided to sneek into the Netherlands by car via the German border.
The Rotterdam mayor and the Dutch government didn't allowed her to proceed. Action causes reaction. If the Turks didn't had lied, didn't mislead and didn't sneaked into Rotterdam with two separate convoys they wouldn't have come into this mess. Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb is a straight and tough guy who rules the robust and strong harbour city Rotterdam. They are used to turmoil, riots and civil unrest in Rotterdam, with their violent harbour workers strikes in the past, with Feijenoord Hooligans (and British, Polish and other Dutch Hooligans) and earlier political tensions and riots. The Turks choose the wrong city to play their game.
Rotterdam people don't let other people fool around with them. They may be blunt, direct and clear, but that is how they are known in the Netherlands and by people abroad who know them. The Turks who have lived for decades in Rotterdam should have known that by now. Aboutaleb came from Amsterdam, first received a cold welcome, but he earned the trust of the Rotterdam people as a good administrator, leader and a guy with some charisma.
Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Mar 12, 2017 16:49:53 GMT 1
The Turkish minister who was removed from Rotterdam and the Netherlands gave a press conference afterwards. Turkey told the Netherlands on Sunday that it would retaliate in the "harshest ways" after Turkish ministers were barred from speaking in Rotterdam in a row over Ankara's political campaigning among Turkish emigres. President Tayyip Erdogan had branded its fellow NATO member a "Nazi remnant" and the dispute escalated into a diplomatic incident on Saturday evening, when Turkey's family minister was prevented by police from entering the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam. Hundreds of protesters waving Turkish flags gathered outside, demanding to see the minister. Dutch police used dogs and water cannon early on Sunday to disperse the crowd, which threw bottles and stones. Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons, a Reuters witness said. They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armoured vans. Less than a day after Dutch authorities prevented Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu from flying to Rotterdam, Turkey's family minister, Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya, said on Twitter she was being escorted back to Germany. "The world must take a stance in the name of democracy against this fascist act! This behaviour against a female minister can never be accepted," she said. The Rotterdam mayor confirmed she was being escorted by police to the German border. Kaya later boarded a private plane from the German town of Cologne to return to Istanbul, mass-circulating newspaper Hurriyet said on Sunday. The Dutch government, which stands to lose heavily to the anti-Islam party of Geert Wilders in elections next week, said it considered the visits undesirable and "the Netherlands could not cooperate in the public political campaigning of Turkish ministers in the Netherlands." The government said it saw the potential to import divisions into its own Turkish minority, which has both pro- and anti-Erdogan camps. Dutch politicians across the spectrum said they supported Prime Minister Mark Rutte's decision to ban the visits. In a statement issued early on Sunday, Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said Turkey had told Dutch authorities it would retaliate in the "harshest ways" and "respond in kind to this unacceptable behaviour". Turkey's foreign ministry said it did not want the Dutch ambassador to Ankara to return from leave "for some time". Turkish authorities sealed off the Dutch embassy in Ankara and consulate in Istanbul in apparent retaliation and hundreds gathered there for protests at the Dutch action. Erdogan is looking to the large number of emigre Turks living in Europe, especially in Germany and the Netherlands, to help clinch victory next month in a referendum that would give the presidency sweeping new powers. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said she will do everything possible to prevent Turkish political tensions spilling onto German soil. Four rallies in Austria and one in Switzerland have been cancelled due to the growing dispute. Erdogan has cited domestic threats from Kurdish and Islamist militants and a July coup bid as cause to vote "yes" to his new powers. But he has also drawn on the emotionally charged row with Europe to portray Turkey as betrayed by allies while facing wars on its southern borders. The Dutch government had banned Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu from attending a rally on Saturday in Rotterdam but he said he would fly there anyway, saying Europe must be rid of its "boss-like attitude". Cavusoglu, who was barred from a similar meeting in Hamburg last week but spoke instead from the Turkish consulate, accused the Dutch of treating the many Turkish citizens in the country like hostages, cutting them off from Ankara. "If my going will increase tensions, let it be ... I am a foreign minister and I can go wherever I want," he added hours before his planned flight to Rotterdam was banned. SANCTIONS THREAT Cavusoglu threatened harsh economic and political sanctions if the Dutch refused him entry, and those threats proved decisive for the Netherlands government. It cited public order and security concerns in withdrawing landing rights for Cavusoglu's flight and said the threat of sanctions made the search for a reasonable solution impossible. "This decision is a scandal and unacceptable in every way. It does not abide by diplomatic practices," Cavusoglu told reporters in Istanbul on Saturday evening. Dutch anti-Muslim politician Wilders, polling second ahead of Wednesday's elections, said in a tweet on Saturday: "To all Turks in the Netherlands who agree with Erdogan: Go to Turkey and NEVER come back!!" Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, said: "This morning on TV (the Turkish minister) made clear he was threatening the Netherlands with sanctions and we can never negotiate with the Turks under such threats. So we decided ... in a conference call it was better for him not to come." 'NAZI REMNANTS, FASCISTS' Addressing a rally of supporters, Erdogan retaliated against the decision to prevent the Turkish foreign minister from visiting Rotterdam. "Listen Netherlands, you'll jump once, you'll jump twice, but my people will thwart your game," he said. "You can cancel our foreign minister's flight as much as you want, but let's see how your flights will come to Turkey now." "They don't know diplomacy or politics. They are Nazi remnants. They are fascists," he said. Rutte called Erdogan's reference to Nazis and Fascists "a crazy remark". He added: "I understand they're angry but this is of course way out of line". Erdogan chafes at Western criticism of his mass arrests and dismissals of people authorities believe were linked to a failed July attempt by the military to topple him. He maintains it is clear the West begrudges him new powers and seeks to engineer a "no" vote in the referendum. Barred from the Netherlands, Cavusoglu arrived in France on Saturday ahead of a planned speech to Turkish emigres in the northeastern city of Metz on Sunday, a Reuters witness said. Earlier, an official at the Moselle regional prefecture told Reuters there were currently no plans to prevent the meeting from going ahead. A member of the Union of European Turkish Democrats also said on Saturday via a Facebook post that the Turkish foreign minister would no longer come to Switzerland for a planned event on Sunday after failing to find a suitable venue. Zurich's security department, which had unsuccessfully lobbied the federal government in Bern to ban Cavusoglu's appearance, said in a statement on Saturday evening it was relieved the event had been cancelled. (Additional reporting by Anthony Deutsch and Toby Sterling in Amsterdam; Writing by Ralph Boulton and Daren Butler; Editing by David Clarke and Simon Cameron-Moore)
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Post by pjotr on Mar 12, 2017 16:20:22 GMT 1
jagahost.proboards.com/thread/20173/huge-tensions-netherlands-turkey?page=1&scrollTo=104253Rotterdam police tells Turkish ministers delegation to go into the car and leave to Germany where they came from. The clearly irritated Dutch police officer; " We are finished -discussing now-, get into the car now, and move to Germany now, no discussion anymore. No, we are finished now, get into the car now, we are finished now, and leave for Germany, no, we are finished now; no, we are finished now, get into the car, finish, back to Germany! Period!" This was after hours of hectic negotiations between the Roterdam police and the Turkish unwanted delegation of the minister of housing affairs. The Rotterdam Labour mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb (of Moroccan background by the way) had declared her a unwanted alien. Behind the scenes there were negotions, communication and close cooperation between Rotterdam (Mayor Aboutaleb) and The Hague (the government; the prime-minister Mark Rutte, Vice-prime minister Lodewijk Aasscher and Minister of foreign affairs Bert Koenders). Ofcourse Ahmed Aboutaleb had the toughest job, leading the Rotterdam police, thinking abput the tensions with the Rotterdam Turks at that moment and later on, and probably the resentment against him by other migrant communities (the Moroccans who might be solidary with their Turkish Muslim brethern), and possible financial-economical consequences for Rotterdam (Turkish commercial navy, investments of Turkish entrepreneurs in Rotterdam, the Turkish horeca in Rotterdam, and ethnic Turkish politicians in the Rotterdam city council). Aboutaleb who came to Rotterdam as an ex-Amsterdam alderman and minister of Social affiars in the Hague, first faced huge resistance in Rotterdam by native Dutch Rotterdammers who disliked him as Amsterdammer, and ethnic minorities like Moroccans and Turks who consider him as a Bounty, migrant Moroccan by outer appearance, but white native Dutch by actions and character. He is very well respected and it was said that Labour would win considerably, if he would have been the national Labour leader during the elections. But he wanted to stay the mayor of Rotterdam and thus the Vice-Prime minister and present minister of Social affiars Lodewijk Asscher is the Labour party leader during the March 15 elections. I want to state clearly that I know Arnhem Turks, and that there are excellent integrated Turks, but also less integrated Turks, who are good people too. Not every Dutch Turk is an Erdogan supporter. The Turks like the Dutch and Poles are very polarized. If you had a Turkish movent like KOD, you would have found a lot of Turkish KOD supporters in the Netherlands. I know Pro-Military Coup 'd Etat Turks in the Netherlands (fierce secularists, Kemalists), I know very moderate liberal-conservatvive Turks in the Netherlands, who in Polish context would be PO, Nowoczesna or PSL. I know Turkish Social democrats, Turkish Marxists, Turkish nationalists (not Erdogan supporters, but secular nationalists), Turkish humanists, moderate Turkish Muslims (Soefi's and Alevi's), real Turkish democrats, and next to that I also know Edrogan supporters, members of the ultra-conservatvie Mili Görus movement, Turks from the state Mosque organisation Dyanet, and Turks who support the Ultra-Nationalistic Grey Wolves MHP party, with their own Grey Wolves mosques and organisations. (The latter has great Ottoman ideas mainly focussed around, All Turks unite. So Turks from Turkey, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, France, Great-Britain and the Caucasus republics should unite in one Ottoman Union). Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Mar 10, 2017 1:46:48 GMT 1
Loes Zuidervaart is a Dutch Roman-Catholic candidate for the election list of the predominantly Protestant Christian ChristianUnion party. The CU changed it's party charter and welcomes all christians today, Protestants, Roman-Catholics, Evangelicals, and other branches of christianity. A lot of conservative or believing Roman-Catholics (the non-secularist Roman Catholics) vote for the ChristianUnion, because they considered the larger Christian Democratic CDA party to be to less christian and to much secular conservative. The competitors of the ChristianUnion are the fundamentalist and ultra-conservative Dutch Reformed SGP party (Orthodox Protestant political party) and the Christian Democrats (CDA). Peter, hats off to you for remembering all those details. You must have a memory like an elephant. Do you always know who you are talking to and what political/social/religious stance they represent? Dear Bo, I try very hard to know what political/social/religious stance they represent, but there are so many local politicians, representatives of all these political parties, that I can't know them all personally. So my honest answer is I don't always know who I am talking to and what political/social/religious stance they represent? I am human and also local tv interviewers and camjo's make mistakes sometimes. I try to read about, follow and discuss subjects or topics these politician are bussy with. I collect their Motions, amendments, press releases, political programs, statements (on Twitter, Facebook, on their blogs and websites) amd I talk with the public relations & communication department fellows and ladies of the muncipality of Arnhem, with civil servants, aldermen- and women and the major. I have contact with the local branches of the National political parties and with the local political parties. Often I held informative and knowledge talks with the people I interview, before I go to the TV interview recording myself. I do this kind of job for more than 10 years now and therefor have followed local politics since october 2006. But still I don't know everything and the political files are huge. Often I have a disadvantage towards the written press and other poeple with close access to the aldermen, major and high ranking public officials (Civil servants). I know all political parties and most of their policians, but do not always know what their motivations and inner convictions are. Politicians can look like a Sphinx, a poker face or stoics. They often manage to hide their emotions and control their temper in hot debates. Sometimes a polician flips and than you have a circus at the city council. But most often these politicians are very decent and long meetings can last all evening into the early hours of Tuesday. Cheers, Pieter
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Post by pjotr on Mar 10, 2017 1:15:24 GMT 1
Bonobo, I have old parents, old aunts and uncles and due to the fact that I was born late, my Dutch (male) cousins look like uncles, because they are about 20 years older than me. Therefor I was raised with old family stories with the social etiquette, visions, codes (of conducts) and ideas of a pillarized and class society, which the Netherlands were in the 1910's, twenties, thirties, late fourties (after the Second World War), fifties and partly the sixties. Ofcourse or maybe I already explained the complicated historical fabric of the so called liberal Netherlands with it's colonial past and 19th century liberal, democratic constitution. Although equality and solidarity have some status in the Netherlands, the Netherlands is also a refined and very sophisiticated class society. Different than the British and German ones, but also very developped. They don't mention it but it is a society with medieval, tribal, social class and interest layers. There is a saying that says; " The Netherlands is a country of merchants and Protestant ministers." The four main pillars dominated the Netherlands for a great part of the 20th century; (1) The Protestant Dutch Reformed (Calvinist) pillar, (2) the Roman-Catholic pillar, (3) The Social-democratic (Democratic Spcialist) red working class pillar and (4) the secular-humanist, liberal-conservative, general pillar (often upper middle class and high class people with a position in commerce, state or science). There was a huge difference between the Ancien Riche (Old Rich) class of nobility, aristocracy, old merchant families (Patricians) and the noveau riche of the 20th and 21th century, which often have roots in the working class or lower middle classes. The strong regions made and still make it important to a certain degree from which region, which city or area you are coming from. Sometimes it even mattered from which neighbourhood or part of the city or town you were coming from (North, South, East, West and etc.). In Arnhem you have a city dialect, but in that city dialect you also have different versions, the neighbourhood dialects of the Arnhem dialect. For migrants, expats or foreign partners of Dutch husbands or wives the Dutch social structure can be very complicated due to all these social class layers, regional layers and ethnic layers. Even for a Dutchman it can still be complicated. The large Christian Democratic CDA party came to existence in the late seventies after the merger of two Protestant political parties and one large Roman-Catholic political party. The Calvinist (Dutch Reformed) Anti-revolutionairy Party (ARP), the Christian Historian Party (Moderate Dutch Reformed) (the CHU), and the rather conservative Roman-Catholic, Catholic Peoples party (KVP). Until today the CDA has strong ARP and KVP wings, although the Calvinists and Roman-Catholics can get along very well, because they are all Christian-Democrats (Maybe you could compare the Dutch CDA with the present Polish PSL, Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe, the Polish People's Party and the German CDU of Angela Merkel). Dutch Roman-Catholics are very divided in their vote, because many of them vote for the CDA (due to the KVP wing in it), but also many Roman-Catholics vote for the liberal-conservative VVD party, the social liberal and progressive D66, Dutch Labour (PvdA), the Socialist Party (which has Southern, Brabant, roots, and Brabant was a Roman-Catholic province in the past). And today a lot of Roman-Catholics from especially Limburg, but also some Brabant cities vote for Geert Wilders PVV. Geert Wilders himself is a Limburger, a Southerner. He was born and raised in the Limburg city Venlo in the southeastern Netherlands, near the German border. Todays Dutch christian parties: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apel_Chrze%C5%9Bcija%C5%84sko-Demokratycznypl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChristenUniepl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polityczna_Partia_Protestant%C3%B3wpl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partia_Antyrewolucyjna_(Holandia)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Historical_Unionen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_People%27s_PartyThe ChristianUnion came to existance after the merger of two small christian polticial parties, the GPV and RPF: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gereformeerd_Politiek_Verbond / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Political_Leaguepl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformatorische_Politieke_Federatie / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformatory_Political_Federationen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrician_(post-Roman_Europe)pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrycjat_(%C5%9Bredniowiecze_i_nowo%C5%BCytno%C5%9B%C4%87)
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Post by pjotr on Mar 9, 2017 19:04:11 GMT 1
This proves that they are idiots and don't serve all Poles. In the Dutch or German case the Dutch or German politiciansn of most political parties would support the one national candidate, except Geert Wilders and Alternative für Deutschland ofcourse.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 9, 2017 18:43:36 GMT 1
This is an interview with the Turkish-Dutch Rabia Kamaran, who is a candidate for the National migrant party Denk, Think. She sees Think as an emancipation movement for migrant minorities in the Netherlands. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denk_(Partei)www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/europe/dutch-denk-party.html?_r=0This is the new director of Arnhems largest church the Eusebius church, which largely has a secular-cultural function as a place for (Classical) concerts, art exhibtions, and which is a church once a month, but also a place for marriages and funeral meetings. ChristianUnion alderman Anja Haga about the Refugee policies of the Arnhem muncipality
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Post by pjotr on Mar 9, 2017 18:38:03 GMT 1
Ladies play and important role in the Arnhem culture world, both as managers, directors and as artists, designers, developpers, Public relations and communication people and marketeers. Lea Manders is the chairwoman of the Local Arnhem Central party, which focusses itself on the interests of the Arnhem citizens. In this interview she talks about the importance of facilities for the elderly in neighbourhoods, like good shops nearby, neighbourhood supermarkets and investments of the muncipality Arnhem in neighbourhoods for elderly people. Marte Straatsma is a local Labour Councillor in Arnhem and a classical musician in the Gelderse Orchestra, in which she plays Second violin. In this interview she states that she supports the Pre-care for pregnant low educated or uneducated young women. The Pre-care program is for women during their pregnancy until their child is 2 years old. A lot of these women have a history of special youth care due to neglect, abuse and low intellectual family backgrounds. I aksed her oif she breaks a vicious cycle with this approach. She affirms that with a Yes! hetgeldersorkest.nl/ontmoet-het-orkest/musici/
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Post by pjotr on Mar 9, 2017 18:23:32 GMT 1
I interviewed a lot of ladies the last weeks. Mariel Hutten from Arnhem for refugees, with her plea for more tolerance and understanding, her buddy project (connecting Dutch citizens to refugees) This documentary is in Dutch language, but the images show the buddy project in Arnhem. The Afghan girl in a short summer dress speaks Dutch 100% perfectly. She came from Afghanistan to the Netherlands 20 years ago with her mother and 3 other shildren (wihout her father). Dutch buddies helped them to integrate and assimilate in the Netherlands. www.human.nl/we-doen-het-zelf-wel/afleveringen/aflevering-4.htmlBy the way not all migrants and refugees integrate perfectly. The Dutch language is very hard for many people with Arab, Afghan, Iranian, Pakistani or African languages. Loes Zuidervaart is a Dutch Roman-Catholic candidate for the election list of the predominantly Protestant Christian ChristianUnion party. The CU changed it's party charter and welcomes all christians today, Protestants, Roman-Catholics, Evangelicals, and other branches of christianity. A lot of conservative or believing Roman-Catholics (the non-secularist Roman Catholics) vote for the ChristianUnion, because they considered the larger Christian Democratic CDA party to be to less christian and to much secular conservative. The competitors of the ChristianUnion are the fundamentalist and ultra-conservative Dutch Reformed SGP party (Orthodox Protestant political party) and the Christian Democrats (CDA). Cathelijne Bouwkamp is and Arnhem candidate for the leftwing liberal, progressive, ecological GreenLeft Party. I interviewed her a few weeks back.
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Post by pjotr on Mar 9, 2017 18:05:34 GMT 1
Yesterday I interviewed two nice Arnhem women on International womens day, Sanne van der Werff and Sanne Nicholas. They were very cheerful and talked about their initiative and sort of company, the Idea real estate agents.
Sanne Nicholas said that it is International womens day every day for her. She was slightly critical about one day espoecially for women. Because every day it is a day of some theme. It is every day women day. Because every day we are aware that we have a mother, sister, had grandmothers, and have aunts, girlfriends, wives, female colleages, and female neighbours.
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