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Post by Bonobo on Jan 28, 2008 10:21:22 GMT 1
I have always been fascinated with the process of rebuilding of Polish major cities after the WW2. For me it is a magical phenomenon. There was a city, next there were ruins, and they turned into a city again. Let`s see how much effort Poles had to put into the work. Warsaw should go first as Poland`s capital and most heroic city ever. The losses of Warsaw during WW2: 800.000 people dead (that is twice as much as American army casualties which amounted to 400.000). 80 percent of the left riverside Warsaw ceased to exist, with such major districts as the Old Town, the New Town and Downtown. 10% in September 1939, 10% during Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (Germans levelled the Jewish district to the ground), 30% during Warsaw Uprising 1944. The remaining 30% are houses intentionally destroyed by German demolition units which carried Hitler`s mad order to eradicate Warsaw from the surface of the earth. Warsavians who had survived the war and started coming back to their city after being forcefully expelled by Germans, saw the ocean of ruins in the place where once beautiful city was located. Some examples The church of St. Alexander  .jpg) King Zygmunt III column lies on the ground, broken     The Royal Castle 1945 - the total destruction     St. John`s Cathedral    Krasiński Palace    Prudential - the pre-war skyscraper    It had a very strong construction of welded steel beams. The famous picture shows the building hit by a 2-ton shell from the heaviest mortar ever used by Germans during the Warsaw Uprising.  The ruin of the Polish Bank has been only partly rebuilt, like that famous building in Hiroshima, as a war memento.    |
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Post by Bonobo on Jan 28, 2008 10:23:14 GMT 1
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Post by valpomike on Apr 23, 2008 20:33:16 GMT 1
Just great photo's again. How do you have time for this, and work and family? You do a great job, we all, I am sure, love your work here. Keep it up. I learn every day, by way of this group.
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Post by Bonobo on Apr 23, 2008 21:53:48 GMT 1
Just great photo's again. How do you have time for this, and work and family? You do a great job, we all, I am sure, love your work here. Keep it up. I learn every day, by way of this group. I still find time to spend with my family. But I had to give up watching TV and films on computer. I also seriously limited my reading books. The forum is much more interesting.  |
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Post by franciszek on May 8, 2008 1:04:17 GMT 1
Just great photo's again. How do you have time for this, and work and family? You do a great job, we all, I am sure, love your work here. Keep it up. I learn every day, by way of this group. I still find time to spend with my family. But I had to give up watching TV and films on computer. I also seriously limited my reading books. The forum is much more interesting. as you can see with the age of my young boy my time with any thing is limited so sometimes i get some time for myself. |
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Post by gigi on May 10, 2008 19:18:40 GMT 1
Such a shame to lose so much beautiful architecture.
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Post by Bonobo on May 12, 2008 20:46:54 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 7, 2010 14:18:45 GMT 1
Warsaw 1935 - peace timeOld Town  Jewish district  Overall view  The same places in 1945 after German occupation. What you see is levelled parts of city, covered with ghastly ruins. Old Town  Jewish district   The same places today, 2010.Old Town reconstructed fairly faithfully  Former Jewish district is totally different   |
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Post by franciszek on Feb 8, 2010 20:28:29 GMT 1
the level of destruction was truly horrific looks like a small a-bomb went off
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Post by valpomike on Feb 8, 2010 22:21:56 GMT 1
Several small and large did go off.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 8, 2010 23:23:27 GMT 1
After the lost Rising: Massive and organized looting campaign of the city by Germans began. Delegations from German municipalities were allowed to enter the ruins and strip them of anything that had not already been taken by the Wehrmacht, SS, and Soviet and Ukrainian collaborators.
Postwar Polish assessments claim that 33,000 railway wagons filled with furniture, personal belongings and factory equipment left Warsaw.
After everything of value was carried away, entire blocks of abandoned houses were set on fire. Monuments and government buildings were blown up by special German troops known as Verbrennungs und Vernichtungskommando (burning and destruction detachments).
On January 17, 1945, the Red Army and General Berling's Polish First Army enter the deserted ruins of Warsaw.Read about the Rising: polandsite.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=polishhistory&thread=179&page=5 |
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Post by valpomike on Feb 9, 2010 19:39:40 GMT 1
And when will Germany give back all they took?
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 10, 2010 16:25:21 GMT 1
And when will Germany give back all they took? Mike Only after Poland gives back once-German lands in the West. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Feb 10, 2010 18:28:00 GMT 1
The map of Poland changed so many times, over the past few hundred years, why would Germany have a wright to this land. How do they lay claim to this land? What land is in question?
Would we, Poland, get back all our lost land, over the past few hundred years, also?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 10, 2010 20:21:52 GMT 1
The map of Poland changed so many times, over the past few hundred years, why would Germany have a wright to this land. How do they lay claim to this land? What land is in question? Would we, Poland, get back all our lost land, over the past few hundred years, also? Mike Questions hitting the target. |
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Post by valpomike on Feb 11, 2010 21:00:36 GMT 1
I don't understand you remark.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 11, 2010 21:41:52 GMT 1
I don't understand you remark. Mike By target I meant the nail. Full remark : your questions hit the nail on the head. |
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Post by valpomike on Feb 12, 2010 0:32:51 GMT 1
Now I see, thank you.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 15, 2010 23:34:36 GMT 1
Elbląg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbl%C4%85gDuring WW2 it was besieged by Soviet troops for 3 weeks. Germans defended it fanatically, to the last oldier. It resulted in almost total destruction of the historical Old Town and Downtown district. Elbląg before the war 
Historic building moving brick-by-brick
15.02.2010 15:20
A historic building blocking the revitalization of the Elblag city centre will be moved to a spot 2 km away.
Moving the historic building in the northern city will cost almost 4 million zlotys (about 1 million euro). A Polish-German consortium will pull the valuable 19th century building down and rebuild it – brick by brick – in the new location.
City authorities say that each and every brick and element has been marked and described. Valuable frescoes found inside will also be moved. Presently, the roof of the three story building is being dismantled.
Joanna Urbaniak from the municipal office says the building will be moved to the historic Granary Island, which is to be given a makeover with the goal of attracting tourists. The removal of the building from its present location will permit the widening and modernization of an important road running through the city.
Elblag, just like a dozen other small and medium size cities is Poland, has undertaken a renovation of its unattractive centre, a legacy of years of neglect under communist rule. www.thenews.pl/national/artykul125678_historic-building-moving-brick-by-brick.html |
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Post by valpomike on Feb 16, 2010 16:53:56 GMT 1
We stayed there, for a few days, a few years ago. The people and the city was great, and any and all rebuilding would be great for all.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on May 4, 2011 23:24:56 GMT 1
After the lost Rising: Massive and organized looting campaign of the city by Germans began. Delegations from German municipalities were allowed to enter the ruins and strip them of anything that had not already been taken by the Wehrmacht, SS, and Soviet and Ukrainian collaborators.
Postwar Polish assessments claim that 33,000 railway wagons filled with furniture, personal belongings and factory equipment left Warsaw.
After everything of value was carried away, entire blocks of abandoned houses were set on fire. Monuments and government buildings were blown up by special German troops known as Verbrennungs und Vernichtungskommando (burning and destruction detachments).
On January 17, 1945, the Red Army and General Berling's Polish First Army enter the deserted ruins of Warsaw.Read about the Rising: polandsite.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=polishhistory&thread=179&page=5At last, the full version of the digital reconstruction of a flight over ruined Warsaw is available The most depressing view is the Old Town at 2:07 and Warsaw Ghetto district, literally razed to the ground at 2:25.     Big size i.pinger.pl/pgr5/74326640001097664c541d1a/aMiasto_Ruin_11.jpgi2.pinger.pl/pgr73/513bbad60029d44e4c541beb/aMiasto_Ruin_09.jpg
Without bridges, streets and people - only the gray desert dotted with ruins. Warsaw 65 years ago shows a 3D animation, produced by the studio Platige Image. It will be seen on Aug. 1 at the Museum of the Warsaw Uprising.
Spring, 1945. Liberator bomber flying over the ruins of the city, a desert with no people - recent fighting insurgents region. So begins the "City of Ruins", a digital reconstruction of Warsaw, destroyed during World War II. - We are aware that the film once again lead a discussion about the Warsaw Uprising - says Jan Oldakowski, director of the Warsaw Uprising Museum. It was there from August 1 will be able to watch the animation.
Royal Castle shattered into pieces, in the ghetto in the city center, the desert. Buildings around the stumps. Frightening the corpse of the old Warsaw was mapped in the animation.
Old pictures speak a new language
- This film is shot like a spring 45 years - says the director of the Warsaw Uprising Museum, Jan Oldakowski. The City of Ruin is a reconstruction of flight bomber B-24 Liberator. Plane, which strip off aid to Warsaw.
The creators of animation studied the hundreds of archival photos and maps. The old, blurry black-and-white photographs, however, does not acknowledge the scale of destruction. Only movie in 3D bird's eye has to appeal to our imagination.
Director of the Warsaw Uprising Museum was one of the first people who saw the effect. - This film made a tremendous impression on me. Although I know the pictures from that period. Only shown as a film, allow for full understanding - admits Oldakowski.
Warsaw and Carthage
To create the image, you first have to be created database of facade, mapping, surveying, town planning and architectural details of Warsaw, as of April 1945. On its basis, it made the flight simulation.
- We wanted the viewer can fully realize the enormity of the destruction of Warsaw, whose fate can probably be compared only to Carthage. The effect passed all expectations, surprising his size and even the reality of historians and varsavianistów - explains Jan Oldakowski.
As he says, but for many involved in the Warsaw Uprising, a film for its own sake is frightening. - It's impressive. Especially ghetto - a few square meters of the city, which has disappeared - he explains.
Film-prosecution?
Director of the museum stresses that it is aware that the movie will once again debate about the Warsaw Uprising. - For some, this movie is an accusation of totalitarian Germany to further acts of genocide. For others it will be accused of the Warsaw uprising that was a military disaster - explains.
The premiere of "City of Ruins" will be Aug. 1 at the Museum of the Warsaw Uprising, and coincide with the celebration of 66 anniversary. The film will be viewed on monitors in the Liberator aircraft in 2D and 3D projection room. |
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Post by Bonobo on May 5, 2011 19:32:42 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on May 22, 2011 19:35:57 GMT 1
It is incredible what the Poles did after the war, rebuilding historical cities (Warsaw [Warschau], Gdansk [Dantzig] and Wrocław [Breslau]. Despite communism that was a great achievement, and maybe that is what is what stands above communism, that Poland saved it history and erased the Nazi destruction. The Nazi's did not won, the Sovjets and Polish communists did not won, but the spirit of the Polish people, Polish patriotism and therefor Poland won! Unfortunately, there were also examples of the destruction after war, even as late as 1970s! Local authoriities decided it was cheaper to pull down crumbling old districts and build socialist architecture than to renovate them. Such plight happened to Legnica and a few others Legnica 1962  Destruction:  Lubañ   Jelenia Góra: wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/375/375826.jpg |
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