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Post by jeanne on Aug 18, 2009 19:41:52 GMT 1
The morning of the third day, and the phone is ringing at 6:15 am...the post office calling. They have a crate of very loudly peeping chicks for Ellie...would she please come and pick them up as soon as possible?? So, before even eating, we jump in the car and head first for the hardware store where Ellie must get a heavy duty extension cord to hook up her warming lights for the chicks. I'm amazed that the hardware store is open at that hour, and not only that, but there are many customers there, Keith among them, socializing before they begin the day's work. Next, we fill up some gas cans with diesel fuel for Jake's tractor, then on to the post office. Upon entering the lobby, we immediately hear the peeping of the 50 or so chicks. With the crate balanced across my lap, Ellie drives us back to the farm where the coop has been set up with 2 cardboad boxes with little doorways cut into them and warming lights shining down inside. Ellie puts the grain feeder inside the coop along with a couple of plates of grain and a saucer of water. As the chicks have only been born the day before and haven't eaten or had any water yet, they must be shown the food and taught to drink. Teaching to drink is easy. Ellie picks up each chick, dips its beak in the water and releases it.
The whole crew seems healthy and commences happily eating, drinking and scratching in the grass for bugs. They also eat the grass, something that I was not aware of.
Once the chicks are settled, Ellie and I go into the trailer and she makes breakfast... fried oatmeal (from yesterday's leftovers) and homemade yogurt and bananas. Once again Jake joins us for some quality time chatting and planning the day. After breakfast is cleaned up, Ellie and I drive toward the village. On the way, and right down the road, we stop at the neighboring farm. Ellie and Jake will be renting this adjacent farm beginning in the fall. First their cows will move there, then hopefully, if an apartment opens up in the 3-apartment farmhouse on the land, then they will move also. They are expecting their first child at the end of October, so hopefully this will happen sooner than later.
The barn on this neighboring farm is much newer than the barn they are currently using. It was probably built in the 1920's as opposed to the 1850's. The layout of the barn will make it much easier and efficient for them to milk their cows. Ellie shows me all the carpentry work Jake has done inside to make sure it is in tip-top shape. She also shows me the two litters of barn cats that are left in the barn. Previously there were about 50 cats living there because the barn had not been in use for several years. The owners had captured and given away about 30 cats in the past couple of weeks. The two litters that were left were either all black or all gray. During the time I was there, most of them were captured and moved to other farms that need help keeping the barns mouse-free.
We continue our trip to the village to drop off something at the parents-in-law's home, then back to the farm for lunch and for Ellie to go off to spend a few hours landscaping, which is her off-farm job. I take advantage of the time to rest a bit, to do some laundry for Ellie and to vacuum her house which constantly fights the battle of accumulating farm dirt.
Before supper, upon Ellie's return, we go over to the 'nurse cow' pasture. Here they keep two cows who nurse all the calves. Since one of the nurse cows gets really annoyed with four calves or so nursing, she will only let them do so if she is given grain in a trough or a manger (I'm not sure of the proper term). So Ellie gives the two adults grain and we watch while the 5 calves quickly rush to get their fill of milk before the cows are done eating. Ellie says the calves get about 6 gallons of milk from each of the cows. (Yikes!) Keeping all the calves with just the two nurse cows instead of letting them be with their own mothers prevents the spread of disease in both the calves and their mothers. Since the farm is certified organic, they must be very careful about disease, as once a cow has been given anything like antibiotics, they must sell it to a conventional farmer since it is no longer able to be considered organic.
Ellie's other chicken coop, with her adult 'layers' is also located in this pasture, so we water and feed those hens and gather eggs.
Once back at the farm it's time for Ellie to help Keith cross the cows. Supper tonight will be a delicious souffle made from the eggs we gathered in the nurse cow pasture. The weather has turned so delightfully cool that it is too cool to sit on the deck for supper, but it makes for a wonderful sleeping night...
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Post by valpomike on Aug 18, 2009 21:16:33 GMT 1
This could be fun, but not for me, I am a city person.
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Post by jeanne on Aug 18, 2009 21:30:03 GMT 1
This could be fun, but not for me, I am a city person. Mike It's very hard work! But, I think in our supermarket, fast food culture, it's important to realize exactly where our food is coming from and appreciate the farmers  , especially those who endeavor to raise healthy animals and products and do so in a responsible, sustainable manner! |
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Post by gigi on Aug 19, 2009 16:22:22 GMT 1
They are expecting their first child at the end of October, so hopefully this will happen sooner than later... The time is getting closer Grandma Jeanne!  Keeping all the calves with just the two nurse cows instead of letting them be with their own mothers prevents the spread of disease in both the calves and their mothers. Since the farm is certified organic, they must be very careful about disease, as once a cow has been given anything like antibiotics, they must sell it to a conventional farmer since it is no longer able to be considered organic. Very interesting about the nurse cows - I had not heard of that before. Hopefully those two cows get pampered a bit for all of their hard work! |
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Post by jeanne on Aug 19, 2009 17:38:55 GMT 1
They are expecting their first child at the end of October, so hopefully this will happen sooner than later... The time is getting closer Grandma Jeanne! Yes it's getting closer and as it does, my excitement builds!! ;D ;D ;D Actually, Gigi, relatively speaking, ALL their cows are pampered; it's part of their philosophy that well-treated animals are less stressed and therefore produce superior quality milk. These are organically raised cows who are out in the pasture each day, not tied in a barn as conventional cows often are. They graze on the lushest, un-sprayed grass, their natural food, not force-fed ground up corn stalks as conventional cows often are. When winter comes they are 'dried off' for a period so their bodies do not become rapidly depleted from constant milking. And during the winter period they are fed the choicest organic hay which Jake has labored over the summer to put aside for them. Not a bad life for a cow! |
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Post by valpomike on Aug 19, 2009 19:55:48 GMT 1
I know you are on a visit to your daughter's place, but could you do this 24 hours a day, seven days a week?
Did you ever live on a farm?
Mike
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Post by jeanne on Aug 20, 2009 1:21:53 GMT 1
I know you are on a visit to your daughter's place, but could you do this 24 hours a day, seven days a week? Did you ever live on a farm? Mike No, Mike, I have never lived on a farm, that's why this is such a novel experience for me. I don't think I could live on a farm in the role my daughter has, but I could possibly live there as a retired person helping out in a grandmotherly role someday... |
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Post by jeanne on Aug 23, 2009 2:05:56 GMT 1
There is trouble with the tractor on the fourth day. Jake comes back from his haying to report that one of the huge rear tires on the old family tractor has gone flat. Even worse, it cannot be repaired as it is just too old, so Jake must purchase a new tire.
Someone who does that kind of thing comes out to the farm with the new tire and installs it. I am appalled at the cost. The price is more than some people pay for their monthly rent! But the tractor is indispensable so there is no other option... By early afternoon, Jake is back haying and the field begins to be covered with the large, round bales. They have almost enough hay now to get them through the winter and any extra that is made over the rest of the summer can be sold for profit.
In the afternoon a package of 'fly predators' comes in the mail. These arrive regularly at the farm so that Ellie and Jake can distribute them throughout the pastures and keep the flies down which torment the cows. Fly predators are small beetle- type bugs that eat fly larva. When they arrive in the package they are still in their eggs, but once you see a few flying around in the plastic bags they are in, it's time to spread them. Ellie and I go to the pasture that is next in rotation for this treatment and we walk around the perimeter and through the middle casting the fly predator eggs like seeds. I hope the cows are appreciative...the fly predators in their package smell terrible!!
Though Keith does not usually come for milking on this day, he has agreed to do so in order to allow Jake to finish the field he is baling. Ellie wants to make an extra special meal for Keith to show their appreciation, so we head off first to her garden to see what can be harvested for supper. Because of much rain this summer, the tomatoes are not doing well...they have the blight. Added to that is a tenacious wood chuck who has decimated most of Ellie's other crops. She is able to glean quite a few potatoes, a couple of green peppers and some salad greens. We then head off in the car to the farm stand down the street where Ellie purchases some sweet corn, tomatoes and some blueberries.
Then, it's into the village to get some cheese and ice cream.
Ellie still has some veal in her fridge from the young bull, and I carve that into fillets while she starts cooking. The meal consists of the breaded and fried veal cutlets, huge Greek salads with lots of feta cheese, corn on the cob and for dessert a blueberry cake with ice cream. Yum.
The next day I will head home, but I feel that this year I have had a good taste of the farm experience and look forward to learning and doing more in the times ahead. I am gaining a good understanding of just how involved and complicated farming is, rather than its being a simple task as many think it is...
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Post by Bonobo on Aug 23, 2009 20:24:24 GMT 1
For the past three years, since my daughter married a young man from the state of Vermont and became a dairy farmer, August has meant to me a trip up to the farm to experience and share their way of life for several days. Each time I go, I try to truly indulge in the farm experience in increasing ways. It reminds me my visits to farms as a child. Our parents used to take us to villages where their relatives lived. Till today I have loved the smell of all places where cows and horses are kept, even a sty has an exciting smell.
The first day of the visit, we arrived late in the afternoon, so there was not much time left for my daughter and I to do anything except feed and water the chickens and gather the eggs before heading inside to make dinner. Chickens are allowed to roam free in the yard or are kept in a coop all the time?
My son-in-law (I'll refer to him as "Jake")
has recently hired his younger brother ("Keith") My daughter (I'll call her "Ellie") Do you play Churchill and his famous a riddle wrapped in a puzzle inside an enigma?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The work day for Jake begins at 4:30 amOops.... ;D ;D ;D I couldn`t be a farmer. Probably I could but not a good one..... to remove for slaughtering
Ellie picks two hens she believes are not good 'layers' and we separate them out from the others. When Jake comes back to the barn area mid-morning, he does the dastardly deed while Ellie watches and I go for a short walk. When I come back, the headless (sorry for the graphic detail) chickens are hanging from a rod over a barrel.That`s an upsetting part for a city man like me. Farming certainly requires tough decisions. A Polish saying - chłop żywemu nie przepuści - the peasant (also a male guy) won`t miss the livestock. But I do the same things with Christmas carp.  BTW, were they hens or still chickens? I was quite proud of myself, as I figure this was a skill most of my ancestors possessed until up to probably my mother's generation. I was pleased to be able to acquire this skill from my own daughter. Once done with this task, Ellie gutted and cleaned the birds, froze one and put the other on to cook for soup that night.It is fascinating after all.
and for Ellie to help Keith walk the cows to the barn for evening milking. The farm is located at a cross roads and the pasture the cows were grazing in was kitty-corner to the farm, so the cows had to be crossed over two roads to get back to the barn for milking. Like in Poland. Do they have such road signs there?: 
Ellie and Keith were calling out over and over, "Come on, girls, come on girls!"Wonderful. The second day ended with the delicious meal of Mexican chicken soup made from the hen that had been scratching the ground only that morning.
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Post by Bonobo on Aug 23, 2009 20:45:49 GMT 1
The morning of the third day, and the phone is ringing at 6:15 am...the post office calling. Is it normal throughout America or only in rural areas where everybody know everyone? I'm amazed that the hardware store is open at that hour, and not only that, but there are many customers there, Keith among them, socializing before they begin the day's work. It is a really exotic lifestyle. Ellie and Jake will be renting this adjacent farm beginning in the fall.
What is the chance for such young farmers to have their own farm one day? When and how big? Is there still any state property in US (like in Poland) or everything is privately owned already?
The barn on this neighboring farm is much newer than the barn they are currently using. It was probably built in the 1920's as opposed to the 1850's.Incredible. I thought such old buildings are long gone in US. |
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Post by Bonobo on Aug 23, 2009 21:00:55 GMT 1
Someone who does that kind of thing comes out to the farm with the new tire and installs it. I am appalled at the cost. The price is more than some people pay for their monthly rent! But the tractor is indispensable so there is no other option... I checked Polish prices. On average a new tractor tyre costs 300$ here. What about US?
By early afternoon, Jake is back haying and the field begins to be covered with the large, round bales. They have almost enough hay now to get them through the winter and any extra that is made over the rest of the summer can be sold for profit.What is the complete area of Jake`s rented field? Is it counted in acres or hectares?
In the afternoon a package of 'fly predators' comes in the mail. These arrive regularly at the farm so that Ellie and Jake can distribute them throughout the pastures and keep the flies down which torment the cows. Fly predators are small beetle- type bugs that eat fly larva. Great. I had to see it:  
Added to that is a tenacious wood chuck who has decimated most of Ellies other crops.
What? This?:  BTW, do they have insurance for the losses? Then, it's into the village to get some cheese and ice cream.
Ellie still has some veal in her fridge from the young bull, and I carve that into fillets while she starts cooking. The meal consists of the breaded and fried veal cutlets, huge Greek salads with lots of feta cheese, corn on the cob and for dessert a blueberry cake with ice cream. Yum.Yes, yum!!! Never have I thought about it being an easy task! |
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Post by jeanne on Aug 23, 2009 23:53:31 GMT 1
Ellie has two movable coops. One is near her trailer and the other is in the nurse cow pasture. They are a wooden frame base with bendable pipes making a bow-shaped top, and covered with chicken wire and having a door at one end. She can move the coops from place to place when the chickens have eaten a lot of the grass. They stay in the coop all the time...if they didn't they would lay their eggs in odd hiding places and it would be too hard to find them. Yes...you know I am a very private person and diligently try to mask my identity! All names have been changed to protect the innocent and the not-so-innocent! ;D Yes, it was upsetting for me too, that's why I conveniently took a walk while it was happening. I even hate putting lobsters into boiling water, though they are my favorite dish! They were full grown hens. Ellie had to make room for the arrival of the chicks, so she had to reduce the number of grown hens she had in one coop, or they would start to peck and injure one another. I thought so! ;D They do have those signs in that area, but only at places where cows are crossed consistently in one place. Since Ellie and Jake's cows get moved to many different pastures, they would have to have signs all over the place, so they don't. I'm glad you think so too, it was one of my favorite things! Alas, poor chickens! Hoo hoo, hoo-hoo, hoo! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by jeanne on Aug 24, 2009 1:50:31 GMT 1
The morning of the third day, and the phone is ringing at 6:15 am...the post office calling. Is it normal throughout America or only in rural areas where everybody know everyone? The reason the Post Office called was because the mail was livestock and they wanted to get it delivered before something happened to them. Plus all the peeping was annoying to work with! Unfortunately, a couple of years ago, Ellie and Jake ordered chicks in February and they day they arrived there was a horrible blizzard. The Post Office closed (something unusual for Vermont...but it was an extreme storm) and all their chicks died. Yes, and in some aspects very appealing. It's very hard for young people to start farming if they do not have a farm that has been in their family. Jake's family has a farm, but it is owned by many siblings and it was just too hard for them to try to farm organically there, plus the farm had been divided somewhat and the pastures were all over the place, plus they would have to cross their cows over a very busy state route that runs through the town. So..they went with renting. Some older people who have farms but with children who are not interested in farming are getting creative. They are making partnerships with younger people in various ways to keep the farms going. The couple that Ellie and Jake will be renting from in the fall are open to selling them the farm in five or so years. Farms are mostly privately owned, but many have been put in agricultural land trusts which specify that they cannot be developed with houses or commercial sites, they must remain agricultural. This means that they can only be sold at agricultural prices not commercial, and that makes it somewhat affordable for young people wanting to farm. Many farmers opt to put their land in these land trusts to preserve the farming character of the state of Vermont, despite the fact they could make fortunes if they sold the land for development. Many of these families have owned farms for a couple of hundred years and just cannot bear the thought of them being lost to development. Many of the farms in the area of Vermont where my daughter is are about 100 acres or so. Farms of this size which are preserved in land trusts could sell for between $150,000 to $300,000 which is what a regular small house would cost in my area. They are an incredible steal, but the catch is that they must remain as farms. The farm Ellie and Jake are currently renting and will be leaving in the fall is very old and has not been well maintained. The only reason they rented it was because they desperately needed a place to keep their cows the first winter they were married and if they had not taken the place, they would have had to sell their cows. The barns and out-buildings, plus the original farm house are in a horrible state of disrepair, practically and in some cases actually falling down. (That's why they live in a trailer, the house is uninhabitable). Jake has actually fallen through the floor of the hayloft and landed on the concrete floor below! The farm they are moving to is in much better shape, thankfully! |
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Post by jeanne on Aug 24, 2009 2:01:05 GMT 1
Someone who does that kind of thing comes out to the farm with the new tire and installs it. I am appalled at the cost. The price is more than some people pay for their monthly rent! But the tractor is indispensable so there is no other option... I checked Polish prices. On average a new tractor tyre costs 300$ here. What about US? The bill was actually $800, but that included the delivery to the farm and the installation. The cost of the upkeep of machinery is incredible! The farms are measured in acres. Your question is hard to answer because Jake is renting fields from some surrounding farms. As I said in my other response, the farms in that area are mostly about 100 acres. Yes!!!...Those are the exact things!! ;D Yes, that is the dastardly creature... hmm...I assume they do for their cows, but not for Ellie's kitchen garden. I knew you were a smart guy!  |
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Post by gigi on Aug 24, 2009 22:47:18 GMT 1
I even hate putting lobsters into boiling water, though they are my favorite dish! I couldn't do it. I witnessed it once, and it was awful! Hoo hoo, hoo-hoo, hoo! ;D ;D ;D I love these owls! A couple of weeks ago my older son and my father rescued a young female who was caught in a soccer net. She sustained some ligament damage, so she is recovering at the local raptor center. Hopefully she can be released back to the wild once she has healed. They gave us a case number to track her progress. We had her in a crate for about two hours before the raptor center representative came to pick her up. She was so beautiful! |
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Post by jeanne on Aug 25, 2009 2:44:23 GMT 1
I even hate putting lobsters into boiling water, though they are my favorite dish! I couldn't do it. I witnessed it once, and it was awful! I've done it, but did not enjoy the meal as much as I did when someone else did it! How lucky you all were to have that up-close look at the owl! Mostly we're lucky to just catch a glimpse of one gliding by... I hope the rescued one recovers soon and returns to her hunting. |
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Post by valpomike on Aug 25, 2009 16:28:53 GMT 1
How do you know it is a her?
Mike
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Post by tufta on Sept 7, 2009 15:46:50 GMT 1
Jeanne, reading your 'country blog' was sheer pleasure. I enjoyed not just the informative part but I have also notices how nice style of writing you have. You've made it so interesting. Also I must say I am under impression of your daughter's and son in law decision to start the farm-life. I have been thinking about such a possibility when I was young but I guess I never had enough courage to actually do the move or maybe I was too spoilt with easy city-life.
I very much liked one specific sentence of yours: you have said ' they are expecting a child'. They.
Your children are lucky to have such a mother and MIL!
Thanks for your stories!
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Post by jeanne on Sept 7, 2009 16:26:34 GMT 1
Jeanne, reading your 'country blog' was sheer pleasure. I enjoyed not just the informative part but I have also notices how nice style of writing you have. You've made it so interesting. Also I must say I am under impression of your daughter's and son in law decision to start the farm-life. I have been thinking about such a possibility when I was young but I guess I never had enough courage to actually do the move or maybe I was too spoilt with easy city-life. I very much liked one specific sentence of yours: you have said ' they are expecting a child'. They. Your children are lucky to have such a mother and MIL! Thanks for your stories! Tufta, Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed my blogging. I must say that after living the farm life for a few short days, I am also impressed with my son-in-law and my daughter for their decision to take on that life style...it is difficult!! They, however, see great advantage in it and neither could envision themselves living a 9:00 to 5:00 work experience, stuck indoors somewhere. And, don't worry, you'll probably be reading more of this in the future. I'm interested in seeing how the new baby will impact their lifestyle! Only two more months and we'll see! |
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Post by gigi on Sept 11, 2009 22:30:20 GMT 1
How is school going? My kids just finished their first week. Everything seems to be going well. My older son has a male teacher this year, which he thinks is fun. Both kids have rather large class sizes - 34 for the fourth grade class, 28 for the first grade class. Their bus is so crowded this year that they have to sit three children in each seat. Oh, that poor bus driver...  |
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Post by jeanne on Sept 12, 2009 2:20:45 GMT 1
How is school going? My kids just finished their first week. Everything seems to be going well. My older son has a male teacher this year, which he thinks is fun. Both kids have rather large class sizes - 34 for the fourth grade class, 28 for the first grade class. Their bus is so crowded this year that they have to sit three children in each seat. Oh, that poor bus driver... Wow, those are both large class sizes!! I'm surprised at the 28 in the first grade, since I would think they would try to keep the numbers down in the grade where they teach reading! Have class numbers been similar in past years?? Glad to hear things seem to be going well, though...and I think it's always healthy for a boy to have a male teacher in the lower grades as usually they are overloaded with female teachers. School for me has started surprisingly smoothly. My schedule is a lot simpler than last year, at least it will be if they don't start moving me around. I had to revise my schedule so many times last year that I actually had to carry a copy of it with me ALL year so I would know where I was supposed to be. That had never happened to me in any previous work year! Our school system actually got some money from the federal stimulus package, so they were able to hire a couple of teachers and another tutor. This has definitely had an impact on my schedule (kids needing support are now spread between me and another tutor), and the extra teachers have helped to keep class sizes down. Most classes are around or below 25 kids. Hope things continue to go well for your boys and that they have a successful and enjoyable school year! (it makes life so much easier if they do! ;D) |
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Post by gigi on Sept 15, 2009 15:55:07 GMT 1
Wow, those are both large class sizes!! I'm surprised at the 28 in the first grade, since I would think they would try to keep the numbers down in the grade where they teach reading! Have class numbers been similar in past years?? 28 is very large for first grade. My older son had 28 kids in his class last year for third grade (it was the largest third grade class). First grade is such a transitional year...usually the first year of "all day" class, lunch at school, recess, learning to read, etc. Fortunately he has the same teacher that my older son had, and she is fantastic. Very well organized, great curriculum, and really, really good with the kids. I think he will have a great school year. for me has started surprisingly smoothly. My schedule is a lot simpler than last year, at least it will be if they don't start moving me around. I had to revise my schedule so many times last year that I actually had to carry a copy of it with me ALL year so I would know where I was supposed to be. That had never happened to me in any previous work year! That's funny! Did it bring back memories of trying to figure our your schedule as a student? Our school system actually got some money from the federal stimulus package, so they were able to hire a couple of teachers and another tutor. This has definitely had an impact on my schedule (kids needing support are now spread between me and another tutor), and the extra teachers have helped to keep class sizes down. Most classes are around or below 25 kids. That's great! Our local referendums didn't pass last year, so the budget is really tight this year. It isn't that the community doesn't support our school system, it is the fact that last time the referendums passed the school board used the money in a different way than they had originally promised. things continue to go well for your boys and that they have a successful and enjoyable school year! (it makes life so much easier if they do! ;D) Thanks! Hope your year goes well too! |
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Post by jeanne on Sept 23, 2009 21:14:34 GMT 1
28 is very large for first grade. My older son had 28 kids in his class last year for third grade (it was the largest third grade class). First grade is such a transitional year...usually the first year of "all day" class, lunch at school, recess, learning to read, etc. Fortunately he has the same teacher that my older son had, and she is fantastic. Very well organized, great curriculum, and really, really good with the kids. I think he will have a great school year. Having a capable teacher will definitely help in this large-class situation! I would hate to envision what it would be like with someone who has poor classroom management skills! Sadly, no. All it did was remind me of my age. My brain used to work a lot better when I was young and I could memorize things easily. Now it all has to be written down for me to look at!!  Yup, we've had that happen in the past, too. It's a death-knell for passing referendums... So far, as of today, my year is still going smoothly... Any update on your end? |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 25, 2009 19:44:35 GMT 1
I have just paid a ticket on line. Speeding 88 in 50 zone cost me 200 zlotys. Earlier this year I paid 100 for speeding 77. And 100 for parking next to the Opera. Together about 130$ a year. This is my average annual sacrifice I have to give to the state.
It is quite little. I consider it just another yearly tax. If I had to pay for my real transgressions, it would be millions... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by valpomike on Sept 25, 2009 20:43:27 GMT 1
Don't speed, and watch where you park, and you won't have the fines to pay. I have not had a speeding ticket for a long time, and my car will do over 160 miles per hour, and I have had it up to near 130, and parking tickets, I never get them at all.
Be careful speed kills, and you have a family.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 25, 2009 20:45:34 GMT 1
Don't speed, and watch where you park, and you won't have the fines to pay. I have not had a speeding ticket for a long time, and my car will do over 160 miles per hour, and I have had it up to near 130, and parking tickets, I never get them at all. Be careful speed kills, and you have a family. Mike Thanks for advice but I have a different opinion on it..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 25, 2009 20:59:58 GMT 1
The law is the law, for all, you break it, and you must pay.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 25, 2009 22:20:55 GMT 1
The law is the law, for all, you break it, and you must pay. Mike I accept the fact that I have to pay. Did I say I don`t want to pay? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For me, it is just one more tax. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 26, 2009 16:45:45 GMT 1
A tax is for all, fines are for the few who break the law.
Drive carefully, for the sake of the family, if you don't care, and watch where you park, there is a reason, for the no parking signs, and they are for all, not just a few.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 26, 2009 19:41:15 GMT 1
Who told you I don`t drive carefully? I am a very careful driver. I haven`t had an accident for 23 years. But I decided to start the discussion on the topic for another reason. A few years ago, not to mention 1990s, I didn`t hesitate to try persuading the police patrol to let me off with a smaller fine. The officers usually weren`t reluctant to accept small bribes for closing an eye. Today I wouldn`t dare to do it, it might end up with a disaster. The police`s morale have improved greatly, I believe. And that is a good side of it. |
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