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Post by valpomike on Feb 26, 2010 17:32:24 GMT 1
Do you think Gays in Poland have a right to marry the same sex? If yes, why? I don't think it is a good idea, it make our children wonder what is going on. Can't they just live together, in private, and not flaunt it in the eyes of all?
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 1, 2010 14:29:49 GMT 1
No right to get married.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 2, 2010 21:42:25 GMT 1
Strasbourg: Polish gays can inherit
02.03.2010 12:39
Poland’s homosexuals have the right to inherit from their partners, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled.
The court in Strasbourg decided that the authorities of the north western city of Szczecin as well as the district court had broken the European Convention on Human Rights by making it impossible for Piotr Kozak to inherit an apartment from his deceased partner.
The authorities tried to evict Kozak from his flat and the court in Szczecin ruled that the man did not secure the right to the apartment because in case of common-law marriage this is reserved solely to heterosexual couples.
Polish law does not recognize the same sex marriages or partnerships.
The European Court of Human Rights has decided that the Polish authorities violated the Article 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights concerning the ban on discrimination and Article 8 concerning the right to a family life.www.thenews.pl/international/?id=126666Comments
* Nikki 02.03.2010 17:53 And here it begins, forcing values onto Poland. Nikki
* Jan 02.03.2010 18:15 EURO-faggots attack  Hold your ground, Poland! Jan
* dunderhead 02.03.2010 18:57 Oh, stop! Poland had a referendum to join the EU. All the mainstream parties were in favour. They knew what they were getting into. It was a democratic decision.
Live with it. dunderhead
* Roman 02.03.2010 19:00 Nikki and Jan,
Welcome to the 21st century.
Don't worry, you can always go live in Iran, where you will find a regime that shares your views. But then again, in addition to being homophobes I would guess that you are probably racist against muslims too. Roman
* Polka 02.03.2010 19:01 This is a very strange situation when the Polish citizen cannot find justice in his own country and is asking the European Court of Human Rights to defend him against....POLAND.... Is it ironic? Polka
* Greg 02.03.2010 19:05 Just because we joined doesn't mean that every decision made by the EU is a good one and this isn't one of those. Greg
* Nikki 02.03.2010 19:14 Roman I have been reading many of your comments, you're only good at using charged words like racist, homophobe, anti-semite. If you want to have a grown up discussion I suggest you stop jumping to conclusions. Poland as a sovereign country has a right to make up its own decision's when it comes to this area of law. Polish law does not recognize same sex marriages therefore the EU should not be able to force this decision on Poland. Now if you want to get into the discussion of same sex marriages we can.
Nikki
* Nikki 02.03.2010 19:17 To start off the discussion if you are willing, first read the history of how Homosexuality has been removed from the mental disorder list, it was dubious at best and two look up the history of marriage and what was its main purpose, it was for reproduction purposes. Nikki
* dunderhead 02.03.2010 19:21 what has the declassification as a mental illness got to do with anything? Quite apart from the fact that a sexual preference is not a mental illness - and nobody but a troladite would think it is - the rights of inheretence for non married people - including both gays and hetros - is a necessary right.
It's called being equal before the law - what western civilisation is based.
Don;t like it? Go live in Afghanistan where you might feel more confortable. dunderhead
* Nikki 02.03.2010 19:27 Dunderhead maybe you should do more research on the subject before you comment. Just because it's not politically correct to say it doesn't mean its not a fact.
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Post by valpomike on Mar 2, 2010 22:22:24 GMT 1
Here you can leave everything you have to a friend, even with having a family. This looks the same to me.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 15, 2010 20:45:49 GMT 1
When there is a need, there is a way....
Transgender marriage sparks debate on same sex unions
14.09.2010 13:40
Poland saw it’s first female-female wedding at the weekend: except that one of the women involved was legally a man.
Ania, a transgendered female married Greta, a lesbian. But as a transgendered person in Poland is legally defined by their original gender, the marriage between the couple was that of a man and a woman.
Nevertheless, the union has been heralded by sexual minority activists as ground breaking in Poland.
But as Magdalena Jensen reports, many conservatives are outraged, though both sides say the law should be cleared up in Poland on this issue.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 25, 2010 19:16:40 GMT 1
Poland’s equality minister ‘anti-gay’, say critics
23.09.2010 14:23
Minister Radziszewska; photo – east news
Minister Elzbieta Radziszewska has been fiercely criticized by leftwing, gender and gay rights organizations for a series of homophobic remarks.
In an interview for the Catholic-oriented daily Gosc Niedzielny, Radziszewska said that a Catholic school has the right to sack a lesbian teacher or refuse to employ one in the first place.
In the opinion of Radziszewska, responsible for equality issues in the centre-right Civic Platform-led coalition government, discrimination against gay teachers in religious schools is in accordance with Poland’s labour code and EU law, which allows religious institutions to refuse to employ a person who has different ethics from those of the institution.
Later, she said that she would defend a homosexual teacher if a state school made him or her redundant, howevers.
Anger at the minister’s remarks grew when Radziszewska ‘outed’ the deputy president of the Polish Society of Anti-discrimination Law, Krzysztof Smiszek, as a row broke out between the two on a TV show.
“It’s an open secret who Mr. Smiszek’s partner is,” said Radziszewska.
Later, the minister apologized but claimed that anyone can check Smiszek’s sexual orientation on the internet.
Smiszek, meanwhile, said he is going to sue Radziszewska.
'She should be dismissed'
“Minister Radziszewska should be dismissed immediately,” says Grzegorz Napieralski, leader of the Democratic Left Alliance, adding that his party will send a letter to PM Donald Tusk demanding her resignation.
Radziszewska has also been criticized by her party colleagues.
“It was a tackless statement. Private life or sexual orientation should not be the subject of a public debate, especially for the Plenipotentiary for Equality, who is supposed to fight against discrimination,” said Tomasz Tomczykiewicz from Civic Platform.
Jaroslaw Gowin, one of the more conservative members of Civic Platform, however, has defended Radziszewska, claiming that the left has unleashed a witch-hunt against her.
Today, members of the Women’s Congress will stage a protest against the minister at the Parliament building in Warsaw.
A similar protest organized by the Women’s Party is expected on Monday at the Chancellery of the Prime Minister.
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Post by Bonobo on Nov 12, 2010 21:55:59 GMT 1
Left wing candidate in anti-gay outburst
12.11.2010 11:54
A left wing candidate for president of the south eastern city of Kielce has apologised for calling homosexuality “a disease”.
Jan Gierada, the Democratic Left Alliance (SLD) candidate in the local elections on 21 November told a public meeting on Tuesday that he is “against gays. ”
When asked his position on sexual minorities, Gierada, who is also the director of the local municipal hospital in Kielce, is reported to have said: “These people should be medically treated because being a gay or lesbian is a disease. I think they should take a lead from the animal world where there is no homosexually. Even goats don’t do that,” said the left wing politician whose party regularly preaches tolerance towards sexual minorities.
Gierada later apologised saying he “never intended to offend the gay community or their representatives”.
He told the RMF radio station that he was only saying that funding for homosexual associations in Kielce could not come from the local government budget.
Gierada is one of seven candidates for president of Kielce. In a recent opinion poll the SLD candidate was in second position with 18 percent support.
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Post by valpomike on Nov 12, 2010 23:17:25 GMT 1
Ask some gay's what they think, if you know some.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Dec 16, 2010 23:14:36 GMT 1
A dispatch from Poland
Xtra recieved an update Dec 12 from Wojciech Szot about the fight for same-sex civil partnerships in Poland.
"On 20th November � one day before local government elections � a demonstration was organized in front of Warsaw University as part of the campaign Love Does Not Exclude," writes Szot. "In the most popular weekend venue of our city we spoke about same-sex partnerships and presented our huge banner saying 'We demand civil partnership law.' We plan to organize such events from time to time to demand the introduction of the law on same-sex partnerships (draft project in Polish can be found on our website). Unfortunately, politicians' interest in the matter is scarce, but we hope this may change with the coming parliamentary elections."
Szot says the group has started advertising across the country but has encountered some resistence to getting its message out. A bus advertising company in Inowroclaw, in the Kujawsko-Pomorskie region, refused the group's ad saying,"We will never consent to publish any controversial posters." Yikes! Best wishes, Wojciech. 
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 10, 2011 16:38:30 GMT 1
(Reuters Life!) - A lawmaker from Poland's ruling party apologized on Thursday for a "joke" he made about gay men and lesbians and said he was not homophobic despite having conservative views on marriage and sexuality.
Asked by TVN24 for his views on homosexuals forming legal civic partnerships, Robert Wegrzyn of the center-right Civic Platform (PO) said on Wednesday: "We can forget about gay men, but I would gladly watch lesbians."
"Human nature, human beings are made in such a way that we should live in a partnership according to nature. If somebody wants to live differently, that's his problem but he should not flaunt it."
His comments drew criticism from women's groups and Wegrzyn said he was sorry for any offence he may have caused.
"I am sorry if this joke insulted anybody because it really could have sounded sexist. That was not my intention," he said.
"My views on relationships between two people are unchanging and conservative but this does not mean I am a homophobe or discriminate against anybody... I oppose discrimination against anybody on grounds of sexual orientation."
The head of PO's parliamentary group, Tomasz Tomczykiewicz, was quoted by the PAP state news agency as saying Wegrzyn would have to pay a fine for his "silly" and "irresponsible" comments.
Poland remains one of Europe's most devoutly Catholic countries but surveys suggest Poles are becoming more liberal on issues such as homosexuality and larger cities are home to increasingly open, self-confident gay and lesbian communities.
Last summer, Warsaw attracted homosexuals from across Europe to attend Euro-Pride, an annual celebration of gay and lesbian culture, and avoided violent protests from far-right groups that have marred similar events in Russia, Serbia and elsewhere.
There are discussions in Poland about allowing gays and lesbians to form legally based civic partnerships and about recognizing the rights of same-sex couples who have married in other European Union countries.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 7, 2011 23:57:54 GMT 1
www.thenews.pl/international/artykul150314_government-to-end-gay-discrimination-at-registry-offices.htmlGovernment to end gay discrimination at registry offices?
01.03.2011 07:59
Minister Radziszewska; photo - east news
Minister for equality, Elzbieta Radziszewska will be seeking a change in the law so certificates can be issued in Poland allowing same-sex couples to get married abroad.
TVP public television is reporting that Minister Radziszewska will be seeking a change in the law following the European Commission announcing last month that it will be examining the functioning of Polish registry offices to see if they are discriminating against gays and lesbians who want to enter into civil partnerships outside of Poland in countries.
Currently, Poland only issues the certificates to heterosexual couples. The proposed law will not require someone wanting to obtain the certificate to give the name of their partner.
The Campaign Against Homophobia says it has numerous examples of gay and lesbians being refused the certificate so they could marry in the UK, Spain, the Netherlands or other countries where same-sex civil unions are legal.
The move will come as a surprise to many as Minister Radziszewska, as minister for equality, has not shown much sympathy for gays and lesbians in the past.
In October, Radziszewska told the Gosc Niedzielny daily, that a Roman Catholic school should have the right to sack a lesbian teacher or refuse to employ one in the first place of they are open about their sexuality.
She said that discrimination against gay teachers in religious schools is in accordance with Poland’s labour code and EU law, which allows religious institutions to refuse to employ a person who has different ethics from those of the institution.
In March, the Diversity Workshop wrote a letter to Prime Minister Donald Tusk calling for the minister to be sacked.
"Mrs. Radziszewska is not fulfilling her legal duties, she is not interested co-operation with non-governmental organizations fighting the discrimination of LGBTQ persons, she is not qualified to deal with these issues, and not interested in acquiring competence […]. She affirms the current state and is homophobic herself […] we call to remove Mrs. Elzbieta Radziszewska from her position," said the letter.
The Democratic Left Alliance’s Katarzyna Piekarska, who is for same-sex marriages says that the move by the Polish government is being made with “one eye on the general election” later this year.
Piekarska told TVP, however, that whatever the motives, the SLD will be supporting the change in law.
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Post by Bonobo on May 19, 2011 12:40:17 GMT 1
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Post by Bonobo on May 23, 2011 21:35:08 GMT 1
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Post by pjotr on May 24, 2011 11:37:41 GMT 1
Bonobo,
I have the impression that in some countries "homosexuality" is a taboo or controversial subject. I think it is not suprisable, that in a country in which a church has much political, social and cultural influence on people that Gays and Lesbians aren't accepted. Not only the Roman-Catholic church, but also the Orthodox-christian churches of Russia and Serbia. I saw violent, agressive anti-Gay pride counterdemonstrations in Moscow and Belgrade too.
Secondly, I want to stress that not only Religious people are homophobic and anti-Gay. You have atheists, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, liberals and secular conservatives and other people as well who are homophobic.
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Post by Bonobo on May 25, 2011 21:25:32 GMT 1
Bonobo, I have the impression that in some countries " homosexuality" is a taboo or controversial subject. I think it is not suprisable, that in a country in which a church has much political, social and cultural influence on people that Gays and Lesbians aren't accepted. Not only the Roman-Catholic church, but also the Orthodox-christian churches of Russia and Serbia. I saw violent, agressive anti-Gay pride counterdemonstrations in Moscow and Belgrade too. In Moscow it is different than in Poland. Poland has much deeper religious traditions than Russia. I think in their case, anti-gay movement is an example of nationalism/chauvinism which sees homosexuality as another Western invention which poses a danger to the Russian nation. |
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Post by Bonobo on Jun 11, 2011 19:51:14 GMT 1
“Keep gays away from kids”
10th June 2011
Robert Wegrzyn was expelled from PO for previous comments
Disgraced Polish law maker Robert Wegrzyn has made headlines again after stating that children should be kept away from homosexuals.
According to TVN24, the former Civic Platform (PO) MP wrote his thoughts in an SMS which he then circulated to a number of journalists.
Referring to proposed amendments to the family support law (which included the issues of homosexuals being employed in places such as children’s homes), Mr Wegrzyn said, “Gays should be completely isolated from children, especially the youngest ones.”
The amendment, which has since been rejected by Parliament, stated that homosexuals may not be employed as foster parents.
The issue was protested by gay-rights group LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transsexual People) which believed that the bill was “not consistent with the constitutional principle of equality which allows homosexuals the right to equal treatment in all spheres of a political, social and economic nature”.
After sending the text message, Mr Wegrzyn then addressed the cameras to back up his views.
“It is very much like adoption. If a homosexual is to be put in charge of a child for eight hours a day, how is that any different from giving them custody as a foster parent,” he told reporters.
“This is a preventative measure to ensure the child has no future bad habits.”
It is not the first time Mr Wegrzyn has made headlines for his comments. In February, he stated that while gay men should not be allowed to marry, he would “happily watch lesbians” - a comment which ultimately saw him expelled from his party.
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Post by Bonobo on Feb 28, 2013 19:28:29 GMT 1
A campaign Don`t be afraid to speak: aimed at parents of gay children has commenced in Poland. Posters with that slogan are going to be hung in major cities. They present real parents, some of them celebrities.  |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 2, 2013 22:10:27 GMT 1
Lech Walesa – 'Gays should be made to sit at the back in parliament'
02.03.2013 09:13
In an astonishing outburst against homosexuals, former Solidarity leader Lech Walesa has said that gay MPs should sit at the back of the parliament chamber, or even “behind a wall”.
“Homosexuals should sit on the last bench in the plenary hall, or even behind the wall, and not somewhere at the front,” Walesa, who was president of Poland from 1990 to 1995, told the TVN24 broadcaster on Friday evening.
Walesa was giving his views on recent debates in parliament about legalising civil partnerships for hetro and homosexuals in Poland and other social issues, when he said: “a minority cannot impose itself on the majority”.
“They must know they are a minority and adapt themselves to smaller things,” the 1983 Nobel Peace Prize winner and staunch Roman Catholic said, adding that he would not have voted for Anna Grodzka, Europe's only transsexual MP, when she was nominated by her party, the Palikot Movement, to become deputy speaker of parliament in January.
Robert Biedron, who became Poland's first ever openly gay MP in the 2011 general election, responded to the outburst by saying, “I would be happy to meet with Lech Walesa”.
“I love Lech Walesa - because if it was not for him I would not be here sitting with you,” Biedron, also an MP for the liberal-left Palikot Movement, told a TVN journalist, referring to Walesa's role in toppling communism.
“But his son [Jaroslaw Walesa, who is a member of the European Parliament] should sit him down and explain a few things: civil partnerships, IVF,” Biedron added.
The ruling centre-right Civic Platform party – who Lech Walesa has given qualified support to in the past - has yet to come to a unified stance on civil partnerships and state funding for the IVF treatment.
Prime Minister Donald Tusk has said that the party will meet on Monday to decide the fate of leading Civic Platform conservative, Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin, within the government, after he led campaigns to block votes in parliament legalising civil partnerships
- See more at: www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/128799,Lech-Walesa-%E2%80%93-Gays-should-be-made-to-sit-at-the-back-in-parliament#sthash.M3ShHOA1.dpuf
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Post by pjotr on Mar 2, 2013 23:19:16 GMT 1
Bo.,
I am not so surprised at his outburst, because homosexuality is a difficult subject in many conservative Roman-Catholic, Christian-Orthodox, Jewish orthodox and orthodox Muslim circles.
In Spain and France there were large demonstrations of conservative Roman-Catholics and others against the legalisation of the Gay marriage.
It takes time to makes things acceptable, or maybe these things are not meant to be all over the world? Gay marriage is often linked to secular-humanist, liberal-progressive, non-religious societies whith a strong cultural world, art scene, entertainment sector, GLBT-organisation and liberal-progressive grassroots movement of students, young working people and progressive supporters of the demand of the minority and it's lobby group. Poland is an agricultural, Industrial and traditional society, with conservative farmers, workers and middle class, with Roman-Catholic ideas. The Vatican dictates or gives directions and the Vatican is clearly against same sex marriage, and therefor most conservative Roman-Catholics in Europe are against it.
People from different religions join together in Paris to protest against President Hollande's plans to legalise gay marriage. Thousands of people have marched through the streets of Paris to protest against President Francois Hollande's plan to legalise gay marriage and adoption by June. Protesters waving pink-and-white posters walked through Paris in near freezing temperatures, many of them couples with children in tow, in strollers or on their fathers' shoulders. "I am perfectly happy that homosexual couples have rights and are recognised from a civil point of view," said protester Vianney Gremmel. "But I have questions regarding adoption." Cardinal André Vingt-Trois, a Catholic leader who launched the opposition with a critical sermon in August, met protesters in southern Paris and expressed his "encouragement that Christians express what they think." Leaders of most faiths in France have spoken out, stressing problems for children that they saw emerging from same-sex marriage rather than addressing the argument among supporters that it was simply an issue of equal rights for gay adults. Spectators watch the crowds on the march gathering "The French are tolerant, but they are deeply attached to the family and the defence of children," said Daniel Liechti, vice-president of the National Council of French Evangelicals. Support for gay marriage in France has slipped by about 10% to under 55% since opponents began speaking out, according to surveys, and fewer than half of those polled recently wanted gay people to win adoption rights. Under this pressure, politicians have dropped a plan to also allow lesbians access to artificial insemination. Organisers insist they are not against gays and lesbians but for traditional marriage and only allowed approved posters and banners to be displayed. Slogans included "marriagophile, not homophobe," "all born of a father and mother" and "paternity, maternity, equality". Organisers reserved five high-speed trains and 900 buses to bring protesters from provincial towns to the capital - some before dawn - to join Parisiennes and display the extent of the opposition that has built up in recent weeks. Same-sex weddings are legal in 11 countries including Belgium, Portugal, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and South Africa, as well as nine US states and Washington DC.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 2, 2013 23:21:40 GMT 1
Bo.,I am not so surprised at his outburst, because homosexuality is a difficult subject in many conservative Roman-Catholic, Christian-Orthodox, Jewish orthodox and orthodox Muslim circles. In Spain and France there were large demonstrations of conservative Roman-Catholics and others against the legalisation of the Gay marriage. Yes, Peter, Wa³êsa is probably too conservative. ;D ;D ;D ;D He wouldn`t say so if he had learnt one day that one of his 8 children was gay. Or he still would??? |
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Post by pjotr on Mar 2, 2013 23:28:46 GMT 1
Bo.,I am not so surprised at his outburst, because homosexuality is a difficult subject in many conservative Roman-Catholic, Christian-Orthodox, Jewish orthodox and orthodox Muslim circles. In Spain and France there were large demonstrations of conservative Roman-Catholics and others against the legalisation of the Gay marriage. Yes, Peter, Wa³êsa is probably too conservative. ;D ;D ;D ;D He wouldn`t say so if he had learnt one day that one of his 8 children was gay. Or he still would??? I think he would excommunicate her or him? (in his mind, thought and will) My child gay, over my dead body. ;D |
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Post by tufta on Mar 3, 2013 6:58:30 GMT 1
Lech Wa³êsa, a real and true hero and reformer of Poland has always had a problem with understanding the spirit of democracy. Which was and is to him very simply understood 'rule of the majority over minority'.
What he says today as a private person would not matter that much IF not for the Wa³êsa Foundation, an organization involved in helping many countries in their transformation into more democratic states. The foundation may lose good name thanks to Wa³êsa's occasional crazy speeches.
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Post by uncltim on Mar 3, 2013 16:52:39 GMT 1
You are all missing the forest for the trees. Gay "rights" is pushed as a precursor to the greater goal of identity politics. Unless Poland has laws specifically limiting the freedoms of Homosexuals, its kind of a Kobayashi Maru for the church and other more traditional groups. The best strategy is to ignore it completely without protest. Intentionally created conflict without opposition quickly loses public interest. Before you decide to call me bad names, realize that I am an egalitarian. I simply understand manipulation. 'rule of the majority over minority'. Identity politics inverts this. |
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Post by uncltim on Mar 3, 2013 20:03:58 GMT 1
That was swift.
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 3, 2013 22:00:07 GMT 1
No, only a bit enigmatic. Actually, I couldn`t understand what you mean. Can you say it again but in simpler English? |
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Post by tufta on Mar 3, 2013 22:34:33 GMT 1
You are all missing the forest for the trees. Gay "rights" is pushed as a precursor to the greater goal of identity politics. Unless Poland has laws specifically limiting the freedoms of Homosexuals, its kind of a Kobayashi Maru for the church and other more traditional groups. The best strategy is to ignore it completely without protest. Intentionally created conflict without opposition quickly loses public interest. Before you decide to call me bad names, realize that I am an egalitarian. I simply understand manipulation. 'rule of the majority over minority'. Identity politics inverts this. Hello Uncletim, how are you? Long time no see! I have to say that I don't know what is Kobayashi Maru. Also, I am not sure what bad names you have in mind and why should I call you with them? But I do get egalitarian  As an egalitarian you sure wouldn't want any MP to sit 'behind the wall'. Thus we both agree. |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 3, 2013 22:42:50 GMT 1
But I do get egalitarian As an egalitarian you sure wouldn't want any MP to sit 'behind the wall'. Thus we both agree. Wa³êsa was stupid to use the Ghetto context here. It provokes bad memories in all decent Poles. |
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Post by tufta on Mar 3, 2013 23:12:32 GMT 1
Precisely! It added insult to injury in a way. Why he doesn't simply remain mute and serve as a living monument |
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 4, 2013 0:46:13 GMT 1
Why he doesn't simply remain mute and serve as a living monument Cause he is still dreaming of great politics. |
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Post by uncltim on Mar 4, 2013 14:15:00 GMT 1
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Hold your ground, Poland! Jan
As an egalitarian you sure wouldn't want any MP to sit 'behind the wall'. Thus we both agree.