Obama sucks??

[Bonobo]

Here is an opinion on Obama by a member of polishforums. As I am not an expert, I will leave it without comments for all Americans to ponder.

Krazy Kaju

Here are my thoughts: Obama will suck.

First, he wants to put higher tariffs on foreign alternative fuels, even though he wants to wean us off oil. Wouldn't it make more sense to lower tariffs so cheaper (and more efficient) ethanol and other biofuels can come from Brazil and elsewhere?

Secondly, he is refusing to let us drill in anwar and offshore. Drilling in these places would make America more energy self-sufficient, AND it would be both an immediate solution and a long term solution. By drilling in more places speculators will recognize oil won't go up as much as they thought previously - and thus prices will fall in the short term. Likewise, oil drillers will drill more because they'll recognize that once offshore and ANWR drilling commence oil prices will fall. The counterargument to this is that oil companies already have a lot of leased land and they're not drilling in it. The obvious answer to this is that a lot of that oil is "uneconomic" - i.e. it costs more to drill in some of these areas than the oil itself (i.e. costs $150/barrel to drill when oil prices are $140/barrel). By opening up more economic drilling areas - like offshore and in anwar, we'll be able to drive the price of oil down.

Thirdly, Obama wants a windfall profits tax on oil companies (a tax where a certain percentage of your profits are taxed away after corporate and income taxes). This is ridiculous. When companies make huge profits, that's a signal to these companies to expand supply. That's exactly what oil companies have been doing. With more profits, they've starting building and renovating oil refineries in America - the first time in three decades. By taxing these profits away, oil companies won't have as much money to update and repair their equipment or to search for new oil reserves. This will mean even higher prices at the pump.

Fourth, Obama wants a progressive capital gains and corporate tax. This is ridiculous. Capital gains and corporate taxes are the most distortion creating taxes. They prevent individuals and businesses from investing and helping the economy to grow at a higher rate.

Fifth, Obama wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts. Quite frankly, that's just retarded. Anyone with a decent amount of intelligence knows that in the poor economic situation we're in now, we need to stimulate the economy by lowering taxes. By raising taxes instead, you'll be destroying

Sixth, Obama wants to renegotiate NAFTA and other free trade agreements. Anyone remember how the Hawley-Smoot Tariff threw the entire world into the Great Depression by choking off trade? Renegotiating our free trade agreements might have a similar effect. Exports have been the only part of our economy that has actually grown. Without exports we'd officially have negative economic growth and therefore be in a recession. We need to increase the scope of our free trade agreements to promote exports, not reduce our free trade agreements.

Seventh, Obama is against school choice. I firmly believe that parents should be given vouchers. If they want to go to a public school fine, but if they want to go to a private school, they should have the right to do so. Being against vouchers is one of the worst positions you can take. Whereas rich families can pay on their own to send their children to private school, poor inner-city families cannot. This forces inner-city families to send their children to crumbling public schools. By giving them school vouchers, these families could opt out of public schools and send their children to much better private schools. Studies have shown that inner city students can do much better in private schools than in public schools. This is why it's essential to allow poorer families the choice between private and public schooling.

Eighth, Obama is a big spender. Recently, he voted to pass a $300 billion farm subsidy - $300 billion dollars that went to rich farmers and even richer agribusinesses. That money could've been used better by changing our energy policy or cutting taxes or giving school vouchers.

Lastly, Obama's health care plan sucks. He wants to force businesses to pay more for your health insurance. This will simply drive jobs away from America into foreign countries like Mexico and China where employers don't have to pay for these ridiculous demands.

Personally, I don't like anyone whose running right now. I liked Ron Paul and I wish the Republican Party would return to its more libertarian roots. Two candidates are trying to ride off of the Ron Paul tidal wave - Bob Barr (LP) and Chuck Baldwin (CP). Both, ultimately, are closet big government statists, though they're far better than both Obama and McCain. As for just Obama vs. McCain, I'd still choose McCain. He at least supports vouchers and has a better tax, education, and energy policy.

[locopolaco]

krazy is... krazy.

1. agree w/ BO
2. same as above. anything opposite of those policies is senseless.
3. i agree with kk partly as i am against windfall taxes but for the simple reason that the consumer will ultimately pay the price for those hikes. no cheap gas.
4. i'm opposed to capital gains tax increases but definitely for a corporate tax hike. it's time for the corps to start paying a bit more as the populace is getting pounded by taxes right now.
5. yes, the shrubco tax cut was the most idiotic idea ever and needs to be overturned. the problem has been that shrubco cut taxes but went on a spending spree selling USA to china, basically. to pay all that stupidity off, america will have to tighten the belt and pay up.
6. NAFTA is what got USA in the heap in many ways by opening these job exports. it has never been a good deal for USA. renegging on it, shouldn't be much of an issue if we have something more balanced on the table. shrubco has kept cold relations with both NAFTA partners anyway so this may be the way to go.
7. lol. insurance isn't driving jobs away. putting the burden on businesses as well as individuals is not good policy however. imho. gov. is the only entity big enough to be able to negotiate good deals from the health care industry.

mccain is a nutcase even though he may be for school choice he will continue the two wars USA is in and possibly start the third one. he is the last thing USA needs right now. he needs to go to Florida and retire like all other folk his age. so, all we have left is BO and he has to win if USA is to have a chance at redemption.

[valpomike]

More people need to think like you two, way to go.

[gigi]

Aug 4, 2008 18:22:58 GMT 1 Bonobo said:

Here is an opinion on Obama by a member of polishforums. As I am not an expert, I will leave it without comments for all Americans to ponder.

Krazy Kaju

Personally, I don't like anyone whose running right now.

I agree with KK on that point. It's going to be a looong 3 months...

[valpomike]

But Obama would be very bad for us Americans, and most of us don't want him, but the press does.

[gigi]

Seventh, Obama is against school choice. I firmly believe that parents should be given vouchers. If they want to go to a public school fine, but if they want to go to a private school, they should have the right to do so. Being against vouchers is one of the worst positions you can take. Whereas rich families can pay on their own to send their children to private school, poor inner-city families cannot. This forces inner-city families to send their children to crumbling public schools. By giving them school vouchers, these families could opt out of public schools and send their children to much better private schools. Studies have shown that inner city students can do much better in private schools than in public schools. This is why it's essential to allow poorer families the choice between private and public schooling.

I hope we have the opportunity to hear from Jeanne on this issue. To me, the voucher issue seems ridiculous. So what is the ultimate solution - to have everyone attend a private school in order to get a better education?

How about we focus our efforts on the schools that we have - improve the buildings worth improving (including improvements in the technology arena), close/repurpose the schools that are no longer needed, and hey - here's a thought - let's pay the great teacher's what they are worth so that they don't have to switch to a private school just to make a decent living. Why is it that the politicians seem to forget that teachers are a key element in receiving a quality education???

[valpomike]

We have many over payed, no good teachers in some schools now, since in this area, no one wants this job, so we take what we can get, and overpay them. And they still want more, and do less, than many others.

[jeanne]

Aug 7, 2008 21:30:22 GMT 1 gigi said:

Seventh, Obama is against school choice. I firmly believe that parents should be given vouchers. If they want to go to a public school fine, but if they want to go to a private school, they should have the right to do so. Being against vouchers is one of the worst positions you can take. Whereas rich families can pay on their own to send their children to private school, poor inner-city families cannot. This forces inner-city families to send their children to crumbling public schools. By giving them school vouchers, these families could opt out of public schools and send their children to much better private schools. Studies have shown that inner city students can do much better in private schools than in public schools. This is why it's essential to allow poorer families the choice between private and public schooling.

I hope we have the opportunity to hear from Jeanne on this issue. To me, the voucher issue seems ridiculous. So what is the ultimate solution - to have everyone attend a private school in order to get a better education?

How about we focus our efforts on the schools that we have - improve the buildings worth improving (including improvements in the technology arena), close/repurpose the schools that are no longer needed, and hey - here's a thought - let's pay the great teacher's what they are worth so that they don't have to switch to a private school just to make a decent living. Why is it that the politicians seem to forget that teachers are a key element in receiving a quality education???

gigi,

I agree with you on this issue. Private schools are PRIVATE...part of our free enterprise system which allows people to start any kind of a business they want...schools included. I'm not sure that it is a "right" of citizens to send their children to one of these schools. It is, however, a Right to have their children receive a good education in the public schools. This is a cornerstone of the American experience. I feel, therefore, that the government should be providing states, towns and public school systems with the money to carry out the mandated programs that the government has deemed necessary but for which they provide no funding!! And further to that, it would help if the value of good teachers is recognized and they be paid at a level commensurate with their level of education and expertise.

Perhaps studying what the private schools do to achieve their success and modeling some public schools after them would be more productive, but again, the funding needs to come from the government to accomplish this. Some cities, Boston included have managed to accomplish this in some 'magnet' schools and have been successful, but the government needs to get its priorities straight and shift more money toward education.

My position on school choice, however, does not mean that I am a supporter of BO. Normally, I do not like to discuss American politics because it is so frustrating...however, I will say that I believe that the Right to Life is the most fundamental of all rights, superceding all others, and therefore I cannot in good conscience support anyone with an opinion like BO's on the abortion issue.

[gigi]

Aug 9, 2008 12:20:58 GMT 1 jeanne said:

gigi,

I agree with you on this issue. Private schools are PRIVATE...part of our free enterprise system which allows people to start any kind of a business they want...schools included. I'm not sure that it is a "right" of citizens to send their children to one of these schools.

An excellent point. I believe that the whole concept of the private school was started because parents wanted their children to have their specific religious beliefs incorporated into the school curriculum. But over time we have come to consider private schools "better" because of such benefits as smaller class sizes.

It is, however, a Right to have their children receive a good education in the public schools. This is a cornerstone of the American experience.

Yes! The fact that some of these politicians cannot see that worries me.

I feel, therefore, that the government should be providing states, towns and public school systems with the money to carry out the mandated programs that the government has deemed necessary but for which they provide no funding!!

Agreed!

And further to that, it would help if the value of good teachers is recognized and they be paid at a level commensurate with their level of education and expertise.

Yes - to help retain current teachers and to help attract future teachers.

Perhaps studying what the private schools do to achieve their success and modeling some public schools after them would be more productive, but again, the funding needs to come from the government to accomplish this. Some cities, Boston included have managed to accomplish this in some 'magnet' schools and have been successful, but the government needs to get its priorities straight and shift more money toward education.

We have a few 'magnet' schools in our area, but they have not been particularly successful. They have been promoted as being focused on a particular curriculum - School of Arts or Science, Math, and Technology. Part of the reason they have struggled is that these are elementary level schools, and while many parents are interested in having their children learn more about a particular area, there have been concerns about whether or not the children will still receive a well-rounded overall education if they attend a magnet school. The other part is that the real purpose of the magnet schools in our district is to balance the social/economic/racial diversity of the school district.

My position on school choice, however, does not mean that I am a supporter of BO. Normally, I do not like to discuss American politics because it is so frustrating...however, I will say that I believe that the Right to Life is the most fundamental of all rights, superceding all others, and therefore I cannot in good conscience support anyone with an opinion like BO's on the abortion issue.

For the most part I share your beliefs, although there are a few exceptions (such as a pregnancy resulting from rape) where I think that there should be a right to choose.

[valpomike]

God help the world, that Obama does not get in office, I think he is the anti-Christ as do many here, who have check into him.

[jeanne]

May 22, 1970 1:08:47 GMT 1 gigi said:

We have a few 'magnet' schools in our area, but they have not been particularly successful. They have been promoted as being focused on a particular curriculum - School of Arts or Science, Math, and Technology. Part of the reason they have struggled is that these are elementary level schools, and while many parents are interested in having their children learn more about a particular area, there have been concerns about whether or not the children will still receive a well-rounded overall education if they attend a magnet school. The other part is that the real purpose of the magnet schools in our district is to balance the social/economic/racial diversity of the school district.

The magnet schools in Boston, I believe, are mostly high schools. Some, like Boston Latin School, are modeled on private schools and are very successful. I think that for the most part magnet schools in Boston are also intended to balance the diversity of the schools, as in the case of your schools.

For the most part I share your beliefs, although there are a few exceptions (such as a pregnancy resulting from rape) where I think that there should be a right to choose.

I know this is a very controversial subject and I'll probably open a Pandora's Box by saying this, but I feel that since we would not think of penalizing/discriminating against/persecuting a child born of rape, that we also should not kill that child in the womb.

[gigi]

Aug 17, 2008 2:23:10 GMT 1 jeanne said:

I know this is a very controversial subject and I'll probably open a Pandora's Box by saying this, but I feel that since we would not think of penalizing/discriminating against/persecuting a child born of rape, that we also should not kill that child in the womb.

The thought of terminating any child's life saddens me. However, I only know what it is like to carry and give birth to a child that was created out of love. I would imagine that for most women it would be very difficult to do so if the child were created from an act of violence.

[jeanne]

Aug 17, 2008 20:26:13 GMT 1 gigi said:

The thought of terminating any child's life saddens me. However, I only know what it is like to carry and give birth to a child that was created out of love. I would imagine that for most women it would be very difficult to do so if the child were created from an act of violence.

I certainly don't dispute that it would be a most difficult thing to do...

[valpomike]

But what does this have to do with Obaman Sucking?

[jeanne]

Aug 18, 2008 4:24:11 GMT 1 valpomike said:

But what does this have to do with Obaman Sucking?

Sorry, Mike, we got side-tracked...but for me it has to do with the fact that Obama supports abortion and I don't!

[valpomike]

Just another reason we don't need, or want him. You must go out and work against him, now, and until the end.

[locopolaco]

Aug 18, 2008 22:40:00 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Aug 18, 2008 4:24:11 GMT 1 valpomike said:

But what does this have to do with Obaman Sucking?

Sorry, Mike, we got side-tracked...but for me it has to do with the fact that Obama supports abortion and I don't!

errr.. you mean choice.

mccain is scary. we don't need another destructive repub in the white house. BO is definitely the one that i'd feel even semi comfy with in there.

[locopolaco]

i've attended all 3 schools you gals are talking about. there is a world of difference between all 3 but magnet was much closer to private non dom (albeit jesuit) education. no public schools for my offspring unless it's in the bfe.

[jeanne]

Aug 19, 2008 3:31:13 GMT 1 locopolaco said:

Aug 18, 2008 22:40:00 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Sorry, Mike, we got side-tracked...but for me it has to do with the fact that Obama supports abortion and I don't!

errr.. you mean choice.

Nope...I meant what I said.

[valpomike]

Anti-Christ Obama, and I hope you all don't get to see.

Just because you are Polish does not mean you have to vote Demo., use your own mind, and you won't this time.

[locopolaco]

Aug 19, 2008 12:59:33 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Aug 19, 2008 3:31:13 GMT 1 locopolaco said:

errr.. you mean choice.

Nope...I meant what I said.

but that's a misrepresentation. he's is for choice not abortion. i don't know anyone who is actually pro abortion. hmm

[locopolaco]

beinbg polish has nothing to do with this valpo. mccain is scary and there is no way we need that kind of crazy geriatric in the white house.

[valpomike]

You would not vote for God if he was a Repo. and that's for sure. I hope I don't get to tell you, I told you so, if Obama gets in and sells us all down the river.

I think many Demo. like you, need to open up your minds, and search out the truth, not what you are told, than you would know.

[jeanne]

Aug 19, 2008 16:30:08 GMT 1 locopolaco said:

Aug 19, 2008 12:59:33 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Nope...I meant what I said.

but that's a misrepresentation. he's is for choice not abortion. i don't know anyone who is actually pro abortion. hmm

Sorry, but I think the word 'choice' is a misrepresentation...a word coined to create a smoke screen of what it really entails and to soften the reality so people won't have to confront the horror that abortion really is.

[jeanne]

Aug 19, 2008 3:50:36 GMT 1 locopolaco said:

i've attended all 3 schools you gals are talking about. there is a world of difference between all 3 but magnet was much closer to private non dom (albeit jesuit) education. no public schools for my offspring unless it's in the bfe.

loco, what's 'bfe'?

[valpomike]

Loco,

You did not answer my statement, if you would vote for God, if he was Repo. Vote for the person, with your heart, not the party. Check out before you vote, not take the word of others.

Mike, not Valpo.

[locopolaco]

Aug 20, 2008 17:32:33 GMT 1 valpomike said:

Loco,

You did not answer my statement, if you would vote for God, if he was Repo. Vote for the person, with your heart, not the party. Check out before you vote, not take the word of others.

Mike, not Valpo.

exactly what i am talking about Mike. you may want to look into mac then. he's as scary as they come and like i said before, USA can't afford another term of idiocy. besides the rest of the world, i am tired of it. this has nothing to do with party lines as i am more right leaning then left. i just can't stand dumbarses

[locopolaco]

Aug 19, 2008 23:07:00 GMT 1 jeanne said:

Aug 19, 2008 3:50:36 GMT 1 locopolaco said:

i've attended all 3 schools you gals are talking about. there is a world of difference between all 3 but magnet was much closer to private non dom (albeit jesuit) education. no public schools for my offspring unless it's in the bfe.

loco, what's 'bfe'?

'
a short for a term that means middle of nowhere. bum eff egypt.

[valpomike]

Your words and action are not one and the same. I hope you at some point will open up your mind, and learn Obama is not good for the U.S.A. I don't know how long you have live here, or how long you have been voting, but he is not the one.
A vote is a very important thing, and I hope you don't waste yours on him.

[locopolaco]

i have an open mind and thus not going with mac. i'll repeat it again: we can't afford another term of stupidity and wars.

i sure hope you look into the dark side of maccain and actually decide to try something different and hopefully positive. america needs someone better then mac and at this time it seems BO is the choice.

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