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Post by locopolaco on Aug 30, 2008 20:12:33 GMT 1
She has been known to fight big oil, and this could make her good for the job. We will know better after they win. Mike but she's all about drilling. |
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Post by Bonobo on Aug 30, 2008 22:59:40 GMT 1
a vote of your choosing not the one presented on the ballot. you just write someone else's name in the bracket. yu could write your own name in if you'd like. Oh, I see. It reminds me of F...k off!! written on ballot cards during communist times. |
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Post by valpomike on Aug 30, 2008 23:19:22 GMT 1
We need drill, and use what we have, and not just buy from others. We, the Americans, could if they used, what we have, could go without buying any, and bring down the cost. We have not been let build any refineries, for many years, or add to the ones we know have.
With the use of Wind farms, and solar energy, and finding another force of fuel, we cold again, be on top.
Obama, does not want us to use what we have, or any new ideas, that are not his, or Gore's, not even thinking there are many other good ideas out there, but, they, the Demo., like some people, who will remain nameless, will not open there minds to new ideas, thinking theres are the only good ones.
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Post by locopolaco on Aug 31, 2008 1:27:08 GMT 1
a vote of your choosing not the one presented on the ballot. you just write someone else's name in the bracket. yu could write your own name in if you'd like. Oh, I see. It reminds me of F...k off!! written on ballot cards during communist times. lol.. you could do that too. |
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Post by locopolaco on Aug 31, 2008 1:31:07 GMT 1
We need drill, and use what we have, and not just buy from others. We, the Americans, could if they used, what we have, could go without buying any, and bring down the cost. We have not been let build any refineries, for many years, or add to the ones we know have. With the use of Wind farms, and solar energy, and finding another force of fuel, we cold again, be on top. Obama, does not want us to use what we have, or any new ideas, that are not his, or Gore's, not even thinking there are many other good ideas out there, but, they, the Demo., like some people, who will remain nameless, will not open there minds to new ideas, thinking theres are the only good ones. drilling is a new idea? you jest. drilling is not the solution nor will it really impact anything. it would be a decade before we ever see any of the oil we'd drill right now. we better be off oil by then, not just theirs but all oil. that's progressive and thinking about the future. i do believe mr BO did address that in his nomination acceptance speech. did you miss it? lol We have not been let build any refineries, for many years, or add to the ones we know have. true that there haven't been any expansion of refining capability stateside in 30 some years. is that BO's fault? who's fault is it? dems? lol but being in iraq another 100 years and with drilling as the energy policy we'll never get there. add to that some antagonism of russia and economic/financial prowls of SE asia.. things aren't looking all too good unless we do something drastic. i am tired of squandering resources on the same old thing. enough is enough. i am looking forward to the RNC. we shall see if mr. mccain can stand up. |
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Post by valpomike on Aug 31, 2008 2:43:30 GMT 1
We wanted to drill many years ago, but the DEMO have stopped us, and would not, let, by their laws, let us add on, or build new refineries.
And you can only write in your vote, here, in the U.S.A., if you are legal to vote, by law.
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Post by valpomike on Aug 31, 2008 2:44:50 GMT 1
You write like someone who votes, and you can't by law.
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Post by valpomike on Aug 31, 2008 15:22:19 GMT 1
AND OBAMA STILL SUCKS, AND WILL FOREVER!!!!
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Post by gigi on Aug 31, 2008 18:38:07 GMT 1
 The RNC (Republican National Convention) will be held Sept. 1-4 in St. Paul, MN. Should be interesting... |
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Post by valpomike on Aug 31, 2008 19:40:51 GMT 1
This will be great, please, all listen and hear the truth, and go with it. With them, we all win.
Mike
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Post by gigi on Sept 1, 2008 15:29:31 GMT 1
Bonobo, you will have to let us know if you want this discussion under a new thread, or if it is fine where it is (or if you wish we would just not talk about it at all...)    Bush cancels speech at GOP convention in St. Paul By Doyle McManus and James Gerstenzang, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers September 1, 2008 ST. PAUL, MINN. -- The marquee act for opening night just canceled, but some Republicans couldn't be happier.
All year, Republican strategists have worried about showcasing President Bush at the Republican National Convention when his standing with the public lies at a near-record low.
So, when Bush canceled his planned appearance at tonight's opening session to focus on preparations for Hurricane Gustav, there were more than a few sighs of relief.
"It's a good thing," said former Rep. thingy [should be the short form of Richard, btw] Zimmer, the Republican candidate for Senate in New Jersey, where Bush is not especially popular. "The first thing I was asked when I won the primary was whether I planned to ask President Bush to come to New Jersey to campaign for me. The answer was no."
Dan Schnur, a former aide to John McCain, agreed. If Bush's speech had been today's main event as originally planned, he said, then media coverage of the convention might have turned into "one long Bush vs. McCain soap opera" focusing on tension between the two.
Their reactions reflected the party's conflicting views of Bush, who led them to victory in 2000 and 2004 only to see his popularity collapse in his second term.
Even before Hurricane Gustav forced Bush's decision Sunday, some Republicans said the president could help his party best by staying home this week.
"President Bush is history, and what we're trying to do is build a party and win an election based on what we're going to do in the future," said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntington Beach), who for months has been urging the president to stay away.
To be sure, Bush remains popular among the conservative activists who are well-represented among GOP convention delegates. Many were crestfallen that they wouldn't see the president in person.
"There's disappointment," said Philip Bryan, a spokesman for the Alabama delegation. "But most people understand that the hardship people in the Gulf Coast area are going through far outweighs the excitement of seeing President Bush and Vice President Cheney."
McCain aides have seen the convention not as a chance to show how close Bush and McCain are (they're not), but as an opportunity to tell voters how their candidate's brand of conservative government would differ from the president's.
McCain and Bush have had a prickly relationship ever since they collided in a series of bitter Republican presidential primaries in 2000. They have appeared on camera together only twice during this campaign, and as far as can be determined they have not spoken since their last meeting, at a Phoenix fundraiser in May.
Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois has sought to portray McCain as both personally and politically entwined with Bush, but the Republican candidate has pushed back.
"In difficult times, we've had a Bush administration, and [voters] want change," McCain told the Chicago Tribune last week. "I've got to make a convincing case that I represent the right kind of change." One McCain television commercial says: "We're worse off than we were four years ago."
Still, the Arizona senator has sought to walk a fine line in talking about Bush, criticizing the president on specific issues while trying not to alienate party activists who still revere him. A recent Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll found that although Bush's approval rating has fallen to 25% overall, he still enjoys the approval of 60% of self-described conservatives.
In his nomination acceptance speech, currently scheduled to be delivered at the convention Thursday, McCain is likely to salute Bush for his conduct of the battle against international terrorism, an advisor said. But the main focus of the speech, he said, will be an explanation of how McCain would chart a new course on the economy and other issues. The advisor spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to give a preview of the speech, which has not been finished.
"He doesn't need to spend time talking about Bush," said Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's 1996 presidential campaign. "The Democrats want to try to make this election about Bush. McCain needs to make sure that doesn't happen. McCain needs to make sure the election is a choice between him and Obama."
Bush, a practical politician, understands. When he formally endorsed McCain at the White House on March 5, he gamely said he would be glad to campaign for the nominee or against him, whichever would help more.
Asked how Bush could help McCain win, Republican strategists offered several recommendations:
First, stay out of the picture. "Don't make headlines," said Mike Murphy, a former McCain aide. "Let us make the noise."
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Post by valpomike on Sept 1, 2008 16:15:24 GMT 1
This is a slanted new report done by the Demo party, the one who controls all the news here.
We here, as a group, are not unhappy with Bush, he only did what he had to do. It was bad it was just in his time, this all went on.
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 1, 2008 16:16:14 GMT 1
i thought you lived near chicago. lol This will be great, please, all listen and hear the truth, and go with it. With them, we all win. Mike lol  the truth is that the repos ruined this country in the last 8 years and mac sold his soul to the devil long time ago. |
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Post by gigi on Sept 1, 2008 16:30:24 GMT 1
We here, as a group, are not unhappy with Bush, he only did what he had to do. It was bad it was just in his time, this all went on. By 'we here, as a group' - do you mean the Republican party??? Bush isn't perfect. Why do you think he is so focused on Gustav right now? |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 1, 2008 17:44:35 GMT 1
Bonobo, you will have to let us know if you want this discussion under a new thread, or if it is fine where it is (or if you wish we would just not talk about it at all...) [/i][/quote] You may discuss American politics in the thread without any limitations. I am not going to meddle into it because it is not my business. I can only say that your debate and the emotions it stirs reminds me of such political debacles in Poland between supporters of formal, conservative Kaczyński brothers (whom I oppose) and of easy-going liberal Tusk whom I prefer. |
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Post by gigi on Sept 1, 2008 18:41:30 GMT 1
You may discuss American politics in the thread without any limitations. Thanks, though I think we may need to change the title to something along the lines of "The 2008 U.S. Election Soap Opera". You'll understand when you read my next post... I am sorry that you feel that way, as your perspectives/opinions are always interesting to hear.  |
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Post by gigi on Sept 1, 2008 18:46:30 GMT 1
To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant
Mon Sep 1, 2008 12:36pm EDT
By Steve Holland
ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us," the Palins' statement said.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.
The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.
MCCAIN KNEW
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.
In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party's conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4 election against Democrat Barack Obama.
McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites.
According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin's child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.
A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.
"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.
(Editing by Howard Goller)
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 1, 2008 20:23:49 GMT 1
You may discuss American politics in the thread without any limitations. Thanks, though I think we may need to change the title to something along the lines of "The 2008 U.S. Election Soap Opera". You'll understand when you read my next post... No, let`s keep the Obama title. It looks like he is going to occupy the American political scene for more years to come, whether as a president or not. I have little to say about Obama or McCaine. I don`t know them, I am not interested too much. Of course, I prefer them to Hilary Clinton who seemed too masculine, even to the point of aggression, and that doesn`t suit a woman in my opinion. Simply speaking, she is repulsive while both Obama and McCaine seem neutral. Whether Obama or McCaine wins, doesn`t really matter. Certain things have become too complex or gone too far for politicians to exert crucial influence any more. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 1, 2008 20:25:31 GMT 1
But, I can by law, Vote, and I do, each time we can, and work to make changes in the things that are no good for all of us.
Some, who can't by law vote, will just find fault, and make this, big, American money, and someday, we hope will return to Poland, and this will not be good for Poland either.
Everyone knows that the media, press, and T.V. are controlled by the Demo. and the Demo. have controlled congress for some time, and did nothing to help us, but them selfs only.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 1, 2008 20:59:27 GMT 1
But, I can by law, Vote, and I do, each time we can, and work to make changes in the things that are no good for all of us. Some, who can't by law vote, will just find fault, and make this, big, American money, and someday, we hope will return to Poland, and this will not be good for Poland either. Mike, I feel it`s time to take part in the discussion because you are visibly pis-ssed off by sth as you are repeating the same opinion over and over again. US is a democratic country, at least it is so on the surface. You can do what you want as long as it is within law. Complaining about the system even when you are not an American citizen with voting rights is not forbidden. Simply speaking, everybody may complain and you can`t do anything about it because it is people`s f......ng right to do in a democratic country. Even when they can`t vote they can complain and find fault with what they don`t like because they live in the country. Their opinions might and should reach those who vote or even run politics because democracy is not only voting. Democracy should mean hearing everyone and then choosing the best course of action. That`s the thing of the past.... Money you make in US isn`t big in Poland anymore. People who made this money stay in US and don`t return. A 3 bedroom apartment in Krakow costs 200.000$. What can you buy in US for that? Yes, I heard about it. Funny.... Are Republicans less popular with journalists?  ? Why? |
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Post by gigi on Sept 1, 2008 21:18:50 GMT 1
Everyone knows that the media, press, and T.V. are controlled by the Demo... Well Charlie Black (one of McCain's top advisors), certainly gave them something to report about when made the following statement: "[Sarah Palin is] going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long," said Charlie Black, one of Mr. McCain's top advisers, making light of concerns about Mr. McCain's health, which Mr. McCain's doctors reported as excellent in May.It's not the Democrats fault that he made this statement. I read this quote in the saturday morning newspaper and was rather surprised by it. Sarah Palin is " going to learn national security" - this highlights one of her weaknesses "...for the next four years, and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long," - McCain is 72, already a concern for many voters - is it smart to mention that he has a chance of not living through his term if elected? |
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Post by gigi on Sept 1, 2008 22:20:46 GMT 1
Sep 1, 2008 2:52 pm US/Central
Veterans March To Xcel Center; 1 Detained
ST. PAUL (AP) ― About 100 veterans marched in formation to the site of the Republican National Convention on Monday, hoping their experience would lend credibility to their anti-war message.
Many members of Iraq Veterans Against the War were in uniform as they pressed for a meeting with the presidential campaign of presumptive nominee John McCain. They want McCain to back additional services for military veterans, particularly services for veterans suffering from mental health issues after seeing combat.
Retired Army 1st Sgt. Wes Davey, 59, of St. Paul, said he was willing to be arrested to make his point, and he was peacefully led from the march by a lone police officer. Police initially said he was arrested, but spokesman Pete Crum later said Davey was only briefly detained.
Marcher Carlos Arredondo of Boston pulled a flag-draped casket carrying the uniform and boots of his son, Lance Cpl. Alexander S. Arredondo, a Marine killed in Iraq.
"As a father it is my responsibility to honor my son," he said. "As a citizen of this country, it is my responsibility to participate" in the anti-war march.
Another veteran, Army Spc. Vincent Lenart of Gary, Ind., said he was stationed in Mosul, Iraq, for a year starting in December 2004. He said he hoped the march of veterans would get the attention of politicians.
"We have a little more credibility, because we were in the service. Many of us have been over there and actually seen war," Lenart said.
Iraq Veterans Against the War also marched on the Democratic National Convention in Denver last week. Former Army sniper Garett Reppenhagen of Colorado Springs, Colo., said, "Both parties got us into this war, both parties need to get us out."
He added, "We're America's war veterans. If we're not listened to, who is?"
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Post by grammyk on Sept 2, 2008 4:09:27 GMT 1
I know this is a very controversial subject and I'll probably open a Pandora's Box by saying this, but I feel that since we would not think of penalizing/discriminating against/persecuting a child born of rape, that we also should not kill that child in the womb. The thought of terminating any child's life saddens me. However, I only know what it is like to carry and give birth to a child that was created out of love. I would imagine that for most women it would be very difficult to do so if the child were created from an act of violence. Good evening ladies! (and you gentlemen too) I've been trying to catch up here, having been away for a while. Mostly I have just been reading all the posts, but this subject I must comment on. Years ago I used to be torn on the subject of "acceptable abortions". Those pregnancies of rape or incest. After much soul searching and as I grew older (and wiser I hope) I have come to the conclusion that to be pro-life leaves no room for acceptable killing of the most helpless and innocent. Yes, it has to be a terrible ordeal to have been raped and carry a child of violence. BUT, one must remember, the child did not commit the crime. To abort IMHO is to commit another violent crime. Think about this, could a woman give nine months out of her life to do the right, moral, and loving act of giving an innocent child life? There are scores of couples begging for a child to adopt. Two more people and their families affected positively by this heroic act. I see the problem in lack of counseling and support. These women need help to cope and know they are doing the right thing by choosing to not abort, not the quick fix that the pro-aborts push. (In PA at least, it's called Family Planning Services...Ha! What a joke!) The woman has to live with her choice, and when choosing to abort that can be a heavy load to carry. It has to run through ones mind that half of that child is yours. In the long run I would think giving nine months would be more healing, knowing as hard as it might be at the time that the rest of the years of your life you would have a clear conscience and have some peace. The violent act can't be taken away by aborting. That can't be changed. Aborting can't make a woman feel better about it, it just compounds the problem. GrammyK |
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 2, 2008 5:58:01 GMT 1
We here, as a group, are not unhappy with Bush, he only did what he had to do. It was bad it was just in his time, this all went on. By 'we here, as a group' - do you mean the Republican party??? Bush isn't perfect. Why do you think he is so focused on Gustav right now? there are plenty repos that can't stand the shrub. gustav... hmmm.. category 1.. hmmm so, he sits reading through 9-11, vacations during the cat.5 katrina and now he gets it? he canceled a speech for the convention.. many took a sigh of relief. .  |
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 2, 2008 6:02:09 GMT 1
To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant Mon Sep 1, 2008 12:36pm EDT By Steve Holland ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, lovely family values.. oopsy. now, i also heard mrs. palin say that her daughter decided to keep the baby.. so, she had a choice? interesting as mrs. palin along with mac want to overturn roe v. wade.. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lordy, lordy.. here come more compassionate conservatives. god help us all. |
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 2, 2008 6:08:33 GMT 1
[There are scores of couples begging for a child to adopt. i wonder then why there are many street kids.. where is the love? besides the issue of abortion really is a secondary issue. grammyk mentions education and support. normally this "education" about the choices is more like a brain wash with some religious undertones. what needs to happen is prevention first. there has to open talk about contraceptives and sex in general. it's such a taboo subject. most pregnancies out there happen because of fundamental understanding of the organs, emotions etc. involved with sex. i think abortion could be made non existent but not through laws but through fundamentals which most american kids/youth definitely lack. |
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Post by jeanne on Sept 2, 2008 11:53:51 GMT 1
To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant Mon Sep 1, 2008 12:36pm EDT By Steve Holland ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, lovely family values.. oopsy. At least she does not look upon the child as a 'punishment' like Obama would... I believe that by 'keep the baby...' she means not put it up for adoption but raise it herself. |
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Post by gigi on Sept 2, 2008 13:04:39 GMT 1
In the long run I would think giving nine months would be more healing, knowing as hard as it might be at the time that the rest of the years of your life you would have a clear conscience and have some peace. The violent act can't be taken away by aborting. That can't be changed. Aborting can't make a woman feel better about it, it just compounds the problem. GrammyK I respect what you are saying, but I still struggle with it. I certainly wouldn't say that aborting the child would make a woman feel better, but I also do not think that every woman is strong enough to survive a rape and then go through 9 months of pregnancy/birth. What about the cases where the rapist and subsequent father of the baby is the woman's uncle, or brother, or own father??? |
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Post by gigi on Sept 2, 2008 13:33:53 GMT 1
i think abortion could be made non existent but not through laws but through fundamentals which most american kids/youth definitely lack. Bristol Palin is not a hero. She is a pregnant 17 year-old child who has decided to marry the 18 year-old father and raise their child together. It may have been her decision to do so, but I doubt that her parents would have given her any other option. But why should the Bristol Palin's of the world even have the option to abort? Was she raped? No. (I realize there could be a "legal" issue if the guy was 18 at the time). Was she educated about sex by her family, school, etc.? I'm not sure, but I would guess that she was. Was she (and her boyfriend) irresponsible -YES!!! It's not just kids, though. Adults accidently get pregnant too, and want the option to abort their "mistake". Some go so far as to have multiple abortions, clearly considering abortion a form of "after the fact" birth control. If a person (female or male) does not want any chance at all of having to deal with an unwanted pregnancy, then abstinence is the best choice. But we all know that it is not a popular choice for many. What I can't understand is why it is easy to choose to have sex, but so difficult to use birth control! Yes, children need to be educated so that if they choose to have sex they are emotionally prepared for it, as well as prepared to handle (or prevent) a possible pregnancy and protect themselves from HIV and STDs. What do we do with the adults who know better and are too lazy to use birth control? Hmm...maybe they need to be educated on sterilization options? |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 2, 2008 15:47:19 GMT 1
The fact that they are not hiding it, nor do they want to, make it just like many families, all over.
Sometimes, you have to be a parent to understand, not just take what you read as fact. Only parents understand what I am saying, and some should never become a parent.
A parent is not, a baby's father, like many who are for Obama. They spread there seed, and are gone.
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