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Post by valpomike on Sept 11, 2008 17:16:29 GMT 1
Do we, for sure, as Polish people, care, what the Russians think, when we Americans will not let them do anything to hurt Poland?
Mike
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 11, 2008 21:15:00 GMT 1
Do we, for sure, as Polish people, care, what the Russians think, when we Americans will not let them do anything to hurt Poland? Mike i don't think any pole cares what the russians think, especially given their behavior as of late but i am sure most don't count on america 100% either. |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 11, 2008 23:00:33 GMT 1
Why, we have been there in the past, unless we get the wrong pres., we will again, if need be.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 13, 2008 22:41:10 GMT 1
Polish 2009 budget cuts deficit, taxes, prompts doubts
By Pawel Sobczak and Karolina Slowikowska
WARSAW, Sept 9 (Reuters) - Poland's government approved the 2009 budget draft on Tuesday, slashing the deficit by almost half and lowering the tax burden as the economy heads for a slowdown.
Next year's budget shortfall will drop to 18.2 billion zlotys ($7.40
billion) from 27.1 billion envisaged for 2008, while growth is
expected to moderate to 4.8 percent from this year's 5.5 percent and 6.6 percent in 2007, the draft showed.
The tax burden will also fall next year, pleasing voters in the ex-
communist nation of 38 million but putting pressure on public
finances as the economically liberal cabinet strives for tighter
budgets ahead of euro adoption.
Central banker Monetary Policy Council member Halina Wasilewska-
Trenkner said the draft was ambitious, echoing analysts' concerns
that a growth estimate of 4.8 percent is too optimistic and could
result in budget troubles ahead.
"It (the budget) will be very difficult to execute, but it is still
possible," Wasilewska-Trenkner , a former finance minister and for
years the ministry's budget guru, told TVP INFO.
Finance Minister Jacek Rostowski and Prime Minister Donald Tusk are due to meet MPC members next week to discuss the budget and an economy hit by the highest inflation in seven years as well as a slowdown in its main export markets in the euro zone.
In the past Rostowski has blamed the central bank for allowing
inflation to rise well above the bank's 2.5 percent target, saying
that posed the biggest threat to a boom which stretches back to EU
entry in 2004.
Central bank policymaker Marian Noga, who has consistently called for higher interest rates on the 10-strong MPC, said earlier on Tuesday that average annual price growth was unlikely to ease to 2.9 percent in 2009, as forecast by the budget draft.
The bank's main borrowing rate now stands at 6.0 percent and analysts expect just one more hike of 25 basis points as growth concerns mount globally and domestically.
The draft showed the finance ministry had upped its 2009 average
interest rate forecast to 6.2 percent from 6.0 percent.
LOWER TAXES
Poland now has a progressive personal income tax with three rates of 19, 30 and 40 percent.
But from 2009, the system will be simplified to two bands of 18 and
32 percent, with the vast majority of Poles set to pay the lower rate. Tusk's Civic Platform party won last year's elections promising less red tape, lower taxes and an improvement in public finances.
Tusk has also said his government may introduce a single-rate income tax in 2011 -- a key element of the ruling Civic Platform's
programme -- despite opposition from President Lech Kaczynski, other political parties and much of the public.
"Not only is growth slowing but taxes are going to fall as well. This
may pressure the deficit level," said Grzegorz Maliszewski, chief
economist at Millennium Bank.
"But inflation will likely be higher than the government's forecast,
which should raise revenues, and so the budget may in the end come together just fine."
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Poland's first step to reform
By Jan Cienski in Warsaw
Financial Times
September 10 2008
Poland's government yesterday took one of its first steps to reform public finances, approving a draft budget for 2009 that is optimistic on economic growth and would boost spending on education, defence and highways.
Donald Tusk, the prime minister, has been criticised for failing to push through any significant reforms despite being in office for more than 10 months.
The budget estimates growth for 2009 at 4.8 per cent of gross domestic product, higher than many analysts' predictions.
The economy is expected to expand this year by 5.5 per cent.
Jacek Rostowski, the finance minister, called the slower growth in 2009 "a fairly significant reduction", but added the rise would still be faster than in most other European countries.
The draft is also fairly optimistic on inflation, predicting 2.9 per cent in 2009. Inflation in July was at 4.8 per cent.
The budget calls for a deficit of 18.2bn zlotys (£4.2bn, $7.5bn, €5.3bn), down from 27bn zlotys this year. The reduction comes despite a drop in government revenues thanks to lower personal tax rates.
"Lowering the deficit is difficult, particularly when we are having to deal with not the best economic environment in the European Union and the world," said Mr Tusk.
The government's goal is to reduce the deficit to 2 per cent of GDP as it strives to join the euro, possibly by 2011 or 2012.
While the budget is ambitious, an even bigger task remains of reforming the bloated early pension system, which has saddled Poland with one of the lowest labour participation rates in the EU but which is popular with voters.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 16, 2008 20:23:12 GMT 1
I am for adopting euro. Why not??? Sth new will happen and I like novelties...
Majority of Poles back euro entry - survey
WARSAW, Sept 15 (Reuters) - A majority of Poles favour joining the
euro, an opinion poll showed on Monday, days after Prime Minister
Donald Tusk surprised financial markets by setting 2011 as his target date for adopting the currency.
The poll, conducted by TNS OBOP on Sept 13 and published in Monday's Dziennik newspaper, showed 52 percent of Poles surveyed back euro adoption, a higher level than in many previous polls, while 37 percent are opposed.
Of those supporting euro adoption, 55 percent back the government's 2011 target, which is at least two years earlier than economists predicted, the poll showed.
A separate survey conducted by the PBS DGA agency and published in Saturday's Gazeta Wyborcza daily showed 25 percent of Poles support adopting the euro in 2011. A further 25 percent said the euro should replace the zloty but later than 2011.
Economists and some politicians have expressed scepticism about
meeting the tight 2011 deadline as the zloty must first spend at
least two years proving its stability within the EU's currency grid ERM-2.
The government must also alter Poland's constitution before swapping zlotys for euros, a move that will require the support of at least some lawmakers from the main conservative opposition Law and Justice Party (PiS), which is cool on euro membership.
The leader of PiS, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, a former prime minister and
the twin brother of President Lech Kaczynski, told Reuters in a
weekend interview his party would back the adoption of the euro only if Poles backed it in a referendum.
'Such a referendum could take place together with European parliament elections next year. If Poles say 'Yes' to euro adoption, we will agree,' Kaczynski said.
Poland's constitution says the central bank has the sole right to
print money and conduct monetary policy -- tasks that fall to the
European Central Bank inside the euro zone.
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Post by valpomike on Sept 17, 2008 4:38:34 GMT 1
I have been told that most Polish people don't want the euro, and why would they?
I hope they vote to not change.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 17, 2008 20:10:22 GMT 1
I have been told that most Polish people don't want the euro, Who told you that? Are you sure your source is reliable? Because Poland is in the European Union. Because Poles want to be in Europe as fully as possible. A simple economic reason: millions of Poles work abroad and earn euros. But when they send or bring them to Poland, they have to exchange into zlotys, paying a fee. It is millions of zlotys per year. My standpoint: I want euro currency because I am an educated person and I know it will further and more deeply anchor us in the European consciousness as a European country. Why is it so important? Mike, understand it now and for future: if Poland is not European, it will be Russian. It is so simple. Mike, don`t say what Poles should or shouldn`t change. It is a Polish thing. ;D ;D Recently you discussed with Loco his alleged right to decide or not about American politics. Now, why do you want to decide about Polish economy?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seriously speaking, why don`t you want Poles to adopt euro? How will it change your life if euro is introduced in Poland? |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 18, 2008 0:19:15 GMT 1
Not all places in Europe, like England, are not using the euro, and this takes away another thing from Poland, her own money.
Mike
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 18, 2008 14:37:13 GMT 1
Not all places in Europe, like England, are not using the euro, and this takes away another thing from Poland, her own money. Mike the english sterling is stronger then the euro so the brits don't want to devalue their money and thus opted out. on the other hand polish zloty is not the sterling so adopting euro in pl is the sensible and stabilizing thing to do. |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 18, 2008 18:13:04 GMT 1
But you are not in Poland, and can not speak for them. I think it would be good to vote on it, by the people of Poland.
Mike
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Post by locopolaco on Sept 18, 2008 18:16:31 GMT 1
of course i can speak for PL as i am polish. there is no need for vote, majority of poles want the euros.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 18, 2008 20:41:35 GMT 1
Not all places in Europe, like England, are not using the euro, and this takes away another thing from Poland, her own money. Mike Poland may keep her currency and become a Russian colony again, these two things do not exclude each other. Do you want this???  |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 18, 2008 21:41:29 GMT 1
I myself, don't want for the Polish to be any part of Russia, and I hope the keep there own coin and paper money, or if they change it must be by vote. I don't see how the two go together.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 18, 2008 21:56:28 GMT 1
I myself, don't want for the Polish to be any part of Russia, and I hope the keep there own coin and paper money, or if they change it must be by vote. I don't see how the two go together. Mike I don`t aqree to have voting about everything. Mike, if Poles vote for a party to rule in Poland, and the party decides to adopt euro, then we must be consequent. Either we keep the Parliament and organize elections every 4 years so that a party could rule Poland according to its program, or we dissolve the Parliament and hold referendums to vote everything. In my opinion you can`t have both: the Parliament and referendums because it is a waste of money and time and I have always been against any waste. |
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Post by valpomike on Sept 19, 2008 4:05:53 GMT 1
It can be done, and is many places, the ruling party has it say, and the people vote on somethings also. and it works.
Mike
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Post by tufta on Sept 19, 2008 10:48:58 GMT 1
Do we, for sure, as Polish people, care, what the Russians think, when we Americans will not let them do anything to hurt Poland? Mike My three cents, Mike. Yes we care what the Russians think. It is quite natural to care what the neighbours think, isn't it? As to Americans helping Poland. Poland is very friendly towards USA, that is for sure and I am glad she is. But we don't have any reason to think Americans will directly protect Poland if they don't have to do it to protect themselves. I have a growing and satisfying impression that Poland has learned her history lesson very well. We cannot count too much on anyone. If we can't protect ourselves completely from someone, we have to make Poland too costly to defeat. A very simple doctrine for a large but not giant country in one of the hottest geopolitical spots ever  |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 19, 2008 11:06:58 GMT 1
If we can't protect ourselves completely from someone, we have to make Poland too costly to defeat. A very simple doctrine for a large but not giant country in one of the hottest geopolitical spots ever Exactly. Introducing euro will make the conquest too costly for a potential aggressor because changing euros back to zlotys or rubels will have to take time and resources....... It was Rousseau who advised Poles when they were torn apart by partitions: If you can`t help being eaten by your rivals, at least you can try to avoid being digested. |
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Post by tufta on Sept 19, 2008 12:07:47 GMT 1
Bo, I meant more direct costs – the military and propaganda ones. Being impossibe to digest we have perfected, don't we, like the 123 years long dyspepsia. But you are right that the decision of adopting a common currency is extremely imoprtant. We are now in the position that the decision was already made by those who have negotiated Poland's accession to EU, so now we can only decide when we adopt Euro, not if we adopt it. And so, the referendum is not applicable. The date chosen as a preliminary target (2011 -which means 2012 seems wisely chosen today. And can be postponed if the situation changes. We haven't made the mistake of Slovakia which adopts Euro at first moment possible. Which is this January. And out of purely political reasons, against their own economical interests. They are joining the Euroland while it is almost in recession which will impair Slovakia's, till now brillant, economical growth. Plus they have bad lack the present quasi-global financial crisis emerged abruptly. And it will hit the Euroland much more than non-Euro countries. So my opinion is -yes to Euro as pacta sunt servanda, but at the moment which best suits economy only. |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 20, 2008 21:37:54 GMT 1
Bo, I meant more direct costs – my tongue was a bit in my cheek then.... ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes, we did, though at too great cost sometimes (Warsaw Rising). Exactly. But PiS maniacs want to hold a referendum anyway, just out of pure malice. I bet if they were at power today, there would be no mention of referendum at all... EURO 2012! Great relief for foreign soccer fans to pay in euros without exchanging.... I believe what you are saying holds water because monetary problems in times of recession are not my specialty.... You know, not everybody can be Copernicus... OK, I agree, let`s fastina lente with this euro. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 20, 2008 21:39:30 GMT 1
Polish defence minister honours pilot who defied President KaczynskiThe strained relationship between Poland's president and government is set to come come under further pressure after the Polish defence ministry said it would decorate an air force pilot for defying the counry's president, Lech Kaczynski.
By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Telegraph.co. uk
18 Sep 2008
Defence minister, Bogdan Klich, said that the pilot, who was in
command of the presidential flight at the time, would receive the
Silver Cross for the Defence of Homeland after he refused to obey an order from President Kaczynski to land at the Georgian capital of
Tbilisi at the height of August's Georgian-Russian conflict.
The Polish Air Force airliner, carrying the presidents of Poland,
Lithuania, Estonia and the Latvian prime minister, was on its way to
an airfield in Azerbaijan, from which the passengers would travel to
Tbilisi by car, when President Kaczynski told the pilot to divert to
Georgia.
"The pilot was determined to stick to arrangements made earlier and uphold his duties for the safety of his passengers," said Mr
Klich. "You have to remember that he was responsible for not only 40 people but three presidents and one prime minister.
"We had no idea whether an aircraft could fly to Tbilisi, and whether
it could land there," he continued.
"There was a risk it could have been shot down."
After landing in Azerbaijan, and facing the prospect of an arduous
four-hour car journey to Tbilisi, Mr Kaczynski rounded on the pilot,
who has not been named and has been apparently suffering from
depression since the incident.
Press reports say that the president lambasted the officer for
his "cowardice", and added that he said he would "deal with this
matter when we get home".
The award will no doubt come as snub to Poland's notoriously
irascible president and possibly widen the gulf between him and the
country's centre-right and pragmatic government, headed by prime
minister Donald Tusk.
Divided over ideology and over which path the country should take,
the two have clashed frequently, especially over foreign policy,
since Mr Tusk defeated President Kaczynski's twin brother Jaroslaw in general elections last year.
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 24, 2008 18:50:57 GMT 1
Wow, this is a huge and difficult problem. Let's hope the Polish economy continues to improve and all these absentee parents can return home to their children! What a nightmare!
Prosperous Poland sees reverse migration
9/22/08
WARSAW, Poland (AP) -- It's been several years since Marek
Tomasikiewicz and his family left Poland for a better life in
Britain -- higher wages for him and his wife, boosted by the strength of the pound, and a better education for his daughter.
They were among hundreds of thousands of Poles who escaped the low wages and high unemployment of this ex-communist country, an exodus underwritten by Polish membership in the European Union.
Times, though, have changed.
Slowing economies in Western Europe and shifting exchange rates are altering the economic calculation for would-be immigrants, and some who came are finding that Britain and Ireland -- the destination for most recent Polish migrants -- are not the lands of opportunity they had expected.
Meanwhile, rapid economic growth and falling unemployment has
brightened many people's outlook on their prospects at home.
Tomasikiewicz has returned, lured by an emotional attachment to his homeland and the sense that well-paid work can be had in Poland now. His family plans to join him after his 23-year-old daughter Agnieszka finishes her studies to be a lawyer.
Since 2004, when Poland joined the EU, its economy has thrived and spawned new jobs, higher wages, a stronger currency -- and no less significantly, new hope for the country's future.
While Poles migrants are not returning home en masse yet, cases like that of Tomasikiewicz stand as a sign of the new optimism, and could mark the start of a new trend if the Polish economy continues to roar ahead.
"In Poland, things have really changed a lot," said Tomasikiewicz,
48, who left for Britain in 2001 to work as a bus driver and
construction worker. "Now, jobs are just waiting for you if you want
to work. I see a colossal difference."
Now, he is back in Poland managing houses that he bought largely with his British earnings and which he rents out to tourists.
While mass migration back to Poland has not yet kicked in, fewer are leaving home: Britain's Home Office said that the number of
applications by Poles seeking work permits from August 2007 to June 2008 fell 17 percent compared to 2006, down to 134,255 from 162,495.
Poland is also attracting immigrants from places like Ukraine,
Belarus and Vietnam -- people for whom Poland beckons as a land of freedom and opportunity.
From an economic point of view, there are good reasons why the stream of Poles going abroad has slowed. The jobless rate, at 19.7 percent in 2003, fell to 6.8 percent this July, according to Eurostat, the EU's statistical office. Wages keep climbing higher and higher --
recently averaging nearly 3,000 zlotys ($1,300) per month.
And the Polish currency has risen sharply against the pound -- from
more than 7 zlotys to the pound in 2004 to just over 4 zlotys now.
That means that Poles earning pounds in Britain and sending them home get about 40 percent less in exchange than four years ago.
In Wroclaw, one of Poland's best-run and most affluent cities, a
noticeable number of Polish migrants have returned from Britain and
elsewhere, showing up at companies like Volvo to seek work and
helping to ease a labor shortage, said Pawel Panczyj, a city official
who heads efforts to promote foreign investment in the city.
"Just in the last four months, the situation has changed," he said.
Local companies "are not experiencing such a dramatic difficulty in
finding people anymore."
Migration experts say that as the country nears the five-year
anniversary of joining the EU, it is reaching a critical phase: if
those who left don't return soon, they probably never will, depriving
the country of the people that it needs as it struggles in the coming
decades with the trademark problems of the industrialized world --
low birth rates and an aging population.
History has shown that immigrants who have been in a country longer than five years tend to never return because by that point they've laid down roots and lost ties to their old lives, said Krystyna
Iglicka, a migration expert with the Center of International
Relations in Warsaw.
Maciej Duszczyk, a migration expert who advises Prime Minister Donald Tusk's government on its migration policy, agrees that now is a "very crucial time."
If Poland follows in the steps of Spain and Ireland, which saw
economic miracles after joining the EU, then 60 to 70 percent of
Poles abroad will return, he predicts. If not, most will probably
never come back.
"We are probably in a situation where these next few years will
decide the future," he said.
The fate of the economy in Britain, where the majority of Polish
migrants have gone, will also help determine whether the Poles stay or go. In past years, a booming construction sector and strong
economy have pulled in hundreds of thousands of Poles, with some
estimates putting the numbers at around 1 million. But now the
British economy is on the brink of recession, with Britain's Treasury
chief Alistair Darling saying the country faces its worst economic
crisis in 60 years.
But many of the Poles abroad say money isn't everything, and they
choose to remain because they value what they describe as a greater tolerance and a less burdensome bureaucracy in places like Britain.
Robert Brzezinski, a 40-year-old cameraman who moved to London this March, says he will never go home because he is disgusted by the small-town conservatism of Polish society and what he describes as the inefficiency, corruption and surliness of officials in public life.
"There is a still a communist mentality in government offices, post
offices," he said. "If you want to build a house, for example, there
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Post by valpomike on Sept 24, 2008 22:40:33 GMT 1
Polish people should stay in Poland, the grass all ways looks greener next door, but is it?
I wish, if I did not have family, I would love to live in Poland, for good.
Mike
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Post by Bonobo on Sept 25, 2008 21:10:54 GMT 1
Polish people should stay in Poland, the grass all ways looks greener next door, but is it? I wish, if I did not have family, I would love to live in Poland, for good. Mike The problem is that people who leave Poland have families to provide for. Well, I always repeat my students that education and intelligence will help them achieve their goals in life. I offer myself as an example. I am intelligent and educated because I have always craved for knowledge, no matter if it came from encyclopeadia (yes, I used to read encyclopeadias for fun) or comic books. Today I don`t worry how to support a family and I don`t have to go abroad. And I am really sad to see that most of my students don`t care about what I say... Only a few individuals do sth extra to improve their intelligence..... The rest is satisfied with minimum work and passing grades... I know for sure that one day they will complain about lousy work, low pay, no future etc etc. But it is their today`s choice.. |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 1, 2008 19:22:40 GMT 1
Poland largely resilient to turmoil -finmin
09.30.08
WARSAW, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Poland is set to weather ongoing global financial turmoil because its growth is high and the economy is well- balanced, Finance Minister Jacek Rostowski said on Tuesday.
'I would like to stress that the Polish economy is particularly
resilient to impact from financial markets,' Rostowski told a news
conference.
He also added Polish banks were largely not involved in the products that are causing problems for their U.S. peers.
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 14, 2008 20:08:46 GMT 1
A very funny tug-of-war is in progress between President and P{rime Minister of Poland.
Mr. Kaczynski, Step out of the way of progress.
Polish minister begs president to avoid EU summit
WARSAW, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Poland's foreign minister pleaded with
President Lech Kaczynski 'on bended knee' on Monday not to attend
this week's European Union summit, saying someone with more financial expertise was needed for the economic talks.
Kaczynski, a conservative euro sceptic, often tussles with Prime
Minister Donald Tusk's centre-right, pro-EU government, most recently over who should represent Poland at the October 15-16 summit in Brussels.
'On bended knee, I beg you Mr President, don't go... Don't weaken our negotiating position at this important summit,' Foreign Minister
Radoslaw Sikorski said in a radio interview.
Sikorski added each of the EU's 27 member states will have two seats at the negotiating table, and the government wants them to be occupied by Tusk and Finance Minister Jacek Rostowski, who both have a history of economic proficiency.
The summit is expected to focus mainly on the global financial crisis
and EU efforts to buttress its beleaguered banking system. Leaders
are also set to discuss the bloc's plan to tackle global warming,
which Poland says may be too costly.
In Poland, the president represents the country overseas and wields significant veto powers over legislation but the government sets and implements policy.
Last week, the president's office said Kaczynski would head the
Polish delegation to Brussels, sparking further tensions between the government and the presidency.
Tusk ousted Kaczynski's twin brother Jaroslaw as prime minister in
parliamentary elections last year. Political analysts expect Tusk,
who has higher popularity ratings than Kaczynski, to run for
president in an election due in 2010.
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 15, 2008 20:26:23 GMT 1
A very funny tug-of-war is in progress between President and Prime Minister of Poland. All Polish radio and TV stations, papers, Net portals took a deep breath and waited for the result of the confrontation... Fortunately, they avoided a brawl or fight for vacant chairs at the summit. Prime Minister and President managed to come to terms in public at least. But, to be frank, President pushed himself in.    The ruling party spokesmen say that Kaczyński isn`t the member of the Polish delegation. The foreign media and politicians roll on the floor..... Again Poland creates problems The survey shows that most Poles are against President`s pushing. www.tvn24.pl/-1,1568849,0,1,konflikt-oslabi-polskie-stanowisko,wiadomosc.html 17% for President, 52 for Prime Minister.  Oh, my, I think it`s high time Kaczyński left into oblivion. |
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Post by gigi on Oct 15, 2008 21:18:49 GMT 1
So when are you going to start a 'Kaczyński sucks?' thread... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by locopolaco on Oct 16, 2008 1:03:07 GMT 1
So when are you going to start a 'Kaczyński sucks?' thread... ;D ;D ;D maybe Tusk sucks too?  ;D |
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Post by Bonobo on Oct 16, 2008 10:38:34 GMT 1
So when are you going to start a 'Kaczyński sucks?' thread... ;D ;D ;D Probably never... The thread would sound very partial and one-sided as two Poles active in this Polish Forum dislike President and his political background. We can start such a discussion when there are more members with other political opinions. But it might be pretty difficult to find an educated Pole able to speak/write fluent English who would support the President. Most of his supporters are not learned in languages. ;D ;D ;D For the time being, it is enough to discuss Kaczyñskis` blunders in other threads. I loved one comment on Kaczyñski`s trip to the summit (where he didn`t say a word):
He achieved a spectacular success. He snatched a chair for himself and sat on it! This is the greatest success of his presidency. It is funny but also very sad. So when are you going to start a 'Kaczyński sucks?' thread... ;D ;D ;D maybe Tusk sucks too? ;D Not for me. Tusk seems an agreeable man, while Kaczyñski is disgusting. |
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Post by tufta on Oct 16, 2008 20:13:26 GMT 1
So when are you going to start a 'Kaczyński sucks?' thread... ;D ;D ;D Probably never... The thread would sound very partial and one-sided as two Poles active in this Polish Forum dislike President and his political background. True, the thread wouldn't make much sense in the current circumstances in the forum. But I don't dislike the politicial background of the President, not at all. Btw. the origins of political background of Mr. President and Mr.PM are exactly the same. I dislike his attitutude as a President. And I equally dislike Donald Tusk's attitude as a PM.... |
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